Comments on: Will China Make Americans Better or Worse Off? http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2005/11/28/will-china-make-americans-better-or-worse-off/ A premiere personal finance blog, established 2003. Within, Flexo discusses his own experiences with money, and he and other authors comment on a wide range of personal finance topics. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:01:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Guesthttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2005/11/28/will-china-make-americans-better-or-worse-off/#comment-1222 Guest Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:21:09 +0000 http://wp.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=649#comment-1222 Seems like every Century is dominated by a country or group of people only to be supplanted by someone bigger and better the following century.The Spanish ruled the world not so long ago, then the British dominated and now the Americans....There are always various reasons why empires decline but one common thread seems to be that these empires grow an arrogance abhorred by the rest of the world. The French were all too happy to help colonial America defeat the British during the revolution...Heck, go far back as the Roman empire and you can see the tell-tale signs. A key indicator an empire is close to collapsing is when the populance spends most of its time watching gladiators and consuming as much as possible with no care in the world of where it comes from or how to pay for it or simply siezes stuff by military might. Sound familiar?Here is a prediction I will make about China. China will, at some point over the next few years, invade Taiwan and nobody-AND I MEAN NOBODY-will lift a finger to stop China. There will be those countries that rant and rave about the invasion but none will come to the aid of Taiwan. This will be the first move of the new empire called China that will likely dominate the latter part of the 21 century. Seems like every Century is dominated by a country or group of people only to be supplanted by someone bigger and better the following century.

The Spanish ruled the world not so long ago, then the British dominated and now the Americans….

There are always various reasons why empires decline but one common thread seems to be that these empires grow an arrogance abhorred by the rest of the world. The French were all too happy to help colonial America defeat the British during the revolution…

Heck, go far back as the Roman empire and you can see the tell-tale signs. A key indicator an empire is close to collapsing is when the populance spends most of its time watching gladiators and consuming as much as possible with no care in the world of where it comes from or how to pay for it or simply siezes stuff by military might. Sound familiar?

Here is a prediction I will make about China. China will, at some point over the next few years, invade Taiwan and nobody-AND I MEAN NOBODY-will lift a finger to stop China. There will be those countries that rant and rave about the invasion but none will come to the aid of Taiwan. This will be the first move of the new empire called China that will likely dominate the latter part of the 21 century.

]]> By: Swanhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2005/11/28/will-china-make-americans-better-or-worse-off/#comment-1221 Swan Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:22:28 +0000 http://wp.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=649#comment-1221 This whole China economic growth thing is fascinating to me. Anyone interested in this must read "The World is Flat".I think that scenario analysis could be of help her. The comment that we could outsource all except our management jobs is definitely the DIRECTION we are going, but is that a plausible end-state? What are they managing? Perhaps technology will be to the point that they can manage international companies from the US.By the time we get that far from now, why would the Chinese not be trying to take the upper level management jobs. Wouldn't they be educated enough for that by then?Sorry, I am not providing any answers. I am not an economist so it is hard for me to synthesize facts that support any one opinion. My opinion based on what I have read is that we will stagnate for the next generation. Kind of a cop out, but stagnation is actually decline relative to the world as a whole. I think that the Chinese will be both taking our jobs and providing us with more customers. However the net net is that they will take more of our higher level jobs then they will provide us with customers. That is because their more enterprising people will find the best way to utilize their talents. If the Chinese market is too efficient, they will find a way to make more from the US market.Once we get past a generation from now, all bets are off. Anything can happen. By then the Chinese could all be as lazy as we are, they could all be addicted to drugs, who knows....Swan This whole China economic growth thing is fascinating to me. Anyone interested in this must read “The World is Flat”.

I think that scenario analysis could be of help her. The comment that we could outsource all except our management jobs is definitely the DIRECTION we are going, but is that a plausible end-state? What are they managing? Perhaps technology will be to the point that they can manage international companies from the US.

By the time we get that far from now, why would the Chinese not be trying to take the upper level management jobs. Wouldn’t they be educated enough for that by then?

Sorry, I am not providing any answers. I am not an economist so it is hard for me to synthesize facts that support any one opinion. My opinion based on what I have read is that we will stagnate for the next generation. Kind of a cop out, but stagnation is actually decline relative to the world as a whole. I think that the Chinese will be both taking our jobs and providing us with more customers. However the net net is that they will take more of our higher level jobs then they will provide us with customers. That is because their more enterprising people will find the best way to utilize their talents. If the Chinese market is too efficient, they will find a way to make more from the US market.

Once we get past a generation from now, all bets are off. Anything can happen. By then the Chinese could all be as lazy as we are, they could all be addicted to drugs, who knows….

Swan

]]> By: Guesthttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2005/11/28/will-china-make-americans-better-or-worse-off/#comment-1220 Guest Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:56:27 +0000 http://wp.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=649#comment-1220 Game Over. I don't think it really matters much what Americans or Chinese do, it all boils down to the numbers. China has a workforce of well over the entire population of the US. The assumption that the Chinese will never become as "educated" as Americans is dangerous, short-sighted and one of the reasons the US finds itself with factories shutting down....<a href="http://news.com.com/China+overtakes+U.S.+as+supplier+of+IT+goods/2100-1011_3-5990797.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.com.com/China+overtakes+U.S.+as+supplier+of+IT+goods/2100-1011_3-5990797.html</a> Game Over. I don’t think it really matters much what Americans or Chinese do, it all boils down to the numbers. China has a workforce of well over the entire population of the US. The assumption that the Chinese will never become as “educated” as Americans is dangerous, short-sighted and one of the reasons the US finds itself with factories shutting down….

http://news.com.com/China+overtakes+U.S.+as+supplier+of+IT+goods/2100-1011_3-5990797.html

]]> By: Matthttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2005/11/28/will-china-make-americans-better-or-worse-off/#comment-1219 Matt Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:53:13 +0000 http://wp.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=649#comment-1219 If the number of Americans who "study hard, learn serious subjects, do not lose themselves in computer games [oh, Ben]..." keeps dropping, and sharply in comparison to the rising numbers in China, it seems straightforward to assume that America as a whole will see a decline. Although the educated and hard workers will continue to see relative success, it would follow that our successes will be lesser and our failures will be greater. It's a classic "take care of yourself and don't worry about your neighbor" argument, which is fine until your neighbor is starving and wants some of your food. If the number of Americans who “study hard, learn serious subjects, do not lose themselves in computer games [oh, Ben]…” keeps dropping, and sharply in comparison to the rising numbers in China, it seems straightforward to assume that America as a whole will see a decline. Although the educated and hard workers will continue to see relative success, it would follow that our successes will be lesser and our failures will be greater. It’s a classic “take care of yourself and don’t worry about your neighbor” argument, which is fine until your neighbor is starving and wants some of your food.

]]> By: ~Dawnhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2005/11/28/will-china-make-americans-better-or-worse-off/#comment-1218 ~Dawn Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:51:52 +0000 http://wp.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=649#comment-1218 Americans are resourceful and creative, though we haven't been of late in some aspects. I look forward to seeing what challanges lay ahead and what we can overcome.When desktops came out, they thought it was the end of the world, when robtics arms cames out in the car industry, they thought it was the end of the world(it was only honda/toyota)- I think we will do just fine Americans are resourceful and creative, though we haven’t been of late in some aspects. I look forward to seeing what challanges lay ahead and what we can overcome.

When desktops came out, they thought it was the end of the world, when robtics arms cames out in the car industry, they thought it was the end of the world(it was only honda/toyota)- I think we will do just fine

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