Comments on: Tracking Restricted Stock in Quicken

By: Anonymous Person

Anonymous Person — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:22:31 +0000

Note there are (at least) two different ways companies do these. One is called “restricted stock.” In this method, you are actually the owner of the stock, however you do not get the certificate and cannot sell it until vests. In the mean time, you are the owner, therefore you get both dividends and the right to vote those shares. Typically the dividends would be paid by your regular payroll check with deductions taken, because it is employer-based income. The second method is called “restricted stock units” (RSUs). In this case case, you are granted rights to “units” that represent shares of stock, but not actual stock per se. When you vest, the units are converted to shares of stock. In the mean time, you do not have the right to vote the stock. Also, you will not get dividends but instead will get additional RSUs that represent the dividends you would have earned, and these too will be converted into stock when you vest. If your employment ends before vesting, however, you do not get the stock in either case, and in the case of RSUs you never get the dividends.

By: EdP

EdP — Fri, 04 May 2007 04:22:43 +0000

I pre-entered RSUs as “shares added” at a future time. When vested, I edited the entry to “shares bought” with cash in the account along with three other transactions. One an income entry with a new salary sub-catagory of “RSU Income”. Another a sale to cover witheld shares. A third “withdraw” cash to the US Government with a split to cover federal income tax, FICA tax, and Medicare tax.

By: Scott

Scott — Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:18:10 +0000

I think it’s a really bad idea to ignore these RSUs because you think they have no value. They are worth as much as stock options and need to be tracked.

A few cases in point: A) if I retire, I receive the RSUs no matter what. Do they have value then as a definite occurence?
B) If I die, my wife gets the RSUs. Wouldn’t it just be great if I didn’t record the fact that they’re owed to her and she never gets them?

These aren’t stock options with an exercise price of 0. They can have dividends throughout their life, even before vesting, and on exercise, they’re immediately taxable. In fact, some companies automatically sell a portion for taxes. Quicken needs a way to record this transaction.

By: Jimbo

Jimbo — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:03:17 +0000

I am not sure I agree with the assertions that Restricted Stock Units (RSU) should just be ignored until vested. If you are working at the same place, and you are trying to balance your portfolio, you will want to know about those shares. Consider working at company X. In that company, you have an Employee Stock Purchase Plan (ESPP) at a discount, you have a Stock Option plan (SO), and you have the opportunity for RSUs.

If your portfolio contains shares of X from four potential sources (Market, ESPP, SO, RSU) and you are trying to balance your portfolio, you will want to see the full picture of these things so that you could, for instance, decrease your Market purchased shares or ESPP shares by recognizing that you have Company X covered by RSU or SO.

I think Quicken needs to enable this “type” of transaction with a simple extension of the Stock Option type they already have, but encompass the nuances of no cost, and any tax implications that are different (I think they are different, but not clear on the details at the moment).

Comments?

By: Personal Finance Blog

Personal Finance Blog — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:59:12 +0000

Stock option grant has no value until vested, not exercised.

By: Orin

Orin — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:15:30 +0000

stock options, which have no real value until the option is exercised source

By: Personal Finance Blog

Personal Finance Blog — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:23:42 +0000

You may probably track it as a stock option grant with a striking price of zero.

http://www.pfblog.com/archives/813_stock_award_shares_sold.shtml

If you will be paid for dividend for shares not vested, you might have to track dividends separately.

By: Inchoate Random Abstractions

Inchoate Random Abstractions — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:05:02 +0000

Ah….that’s different than the way my company did it. I actually received the dividends as income in my paycheck once a quarter, even before the restricted shares vested.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:23:20 +0000

No, a person’s net worth should not reflect future earnings. It should only include everything you presently own, minus everything you presently owe. If people were to incorporate future earnings in their net worth calculations, then they should also include the NPV of theirs pension, the NPV of their social security income, etc. It just doesn’t make sense.

Just consider the stock grant as a bonus paycheck that you’ll see down the road. You certainly don’t include next month’s paycheck in your net worth; the stock grant is no different.

By: FMF

FMF — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:17:33 +0000

I wouldn’t track/count it at all personally since you won’t own it for three years.

By: Flexo

Flexo — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:40:06 +0000

The way it was explained by the company, we are given an “extra” restricted stock unit, representing the dividends which would be reported between now and the vesting date. So there won’t be any dividends accruing in the account over time.

By: Inchoate Random Abstractions

Inchoate Random Abstractions — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:33:05 +0000

When my restricted stock vested last month (around 300 shares), they sold 1/3 of it to pay for taxes. But after the restricted stock was awarded and before it vested, I received dividends on the full number of restricted units. I’m not sure how you would account for that in Quicken.