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		<title>By: Weekly Blog Roundup, Fall Season Edition on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-118880</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Blog Roundup, Fall Season Edition on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the small purchases matter, but there are other lifestyle choices and purchasing decisions that matter much, much more. Saving little by little is useless if you make poor decisions on larger purchases. 20 years of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Sunday Review #4</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-116681</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sunday Review #4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-91910</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s question of quality of life and continually editing. If the latte is instead of something more expensive, like going out for a meal, then it&#039;s cheaper.  If you&#039;re self-employed and it gets you out of the house instead of going shopping for a distraction, maybe it&#039;s a net winner.  I share a Duetta creditcard with my teenage daughter - it&#039;s a free credit card, and the bonus points go towards Starbucks.  I guess that&#039;s having your latte and drinking it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s question of quality of life and continually editing. If the latte is instead of something more expensive, like going out for a meal, then it&#8217;s cheaper.  If you&#8217;re self-employed and it gets you out of the house instead of going shopping for a distraction, maybe it&#8217;s a net winner.  I share a Duetta creditcard with my teenage daughter &#8211; it&#8217;s a free credit card, and the bonus points go towards Starbucks.  I guess that&#8217;s having your latte and drinking it too.</p>
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		<title>By: financial zen &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pin this up on your wall.</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-89767</link>
		<dc:creator>financial zen &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pin this up on your wall.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] your workday expenses. Parking pass, gas, maintenance on the car, your morning latte factor - they all add up! Of course, sometimes it&#8217;s a matter of cutting back - not cutting out. I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flexo</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-82412</link>
		<dc:creator>Flexo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigbuddha: Thanks for stopping by and commenting.  I&#039;m just wondering what index and data are used to come up with an average of 15%+.  This is the first I&#039;ve seen a figure that high for long term investing in any market.

I suppose an average that high is possible if you buy at a market low (after the crash/Great Depression) and sell high... but that involves market timing which is unlikely to happen.  8% is much mor realistic for an equities market over the long term... in fact it might be too high taking into account the economic advances in the United States over the last two centuries... some believe we&#039;re unlikely to see progress like that in this country again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigbuddha: Thanks for stopping by and commenting.  I&#8217;m just wondering what index and data are used to come up with an average of 15%+.  This is the first I&#8217;ve seen a figure that high for long term investing in any market.</p>
<p>I suppose an average that high is possible if you buy at a market low (after the crash/Great Depression) and sell high&#8230; but that involves market timing which is unlikely to happen.  8% is much mor realistic for an equities market over the long term&#8230; in fact it might be too high taking into account the economic advances in the United States over the last two centuries&#8230; some believe we&#8217;re unlikely to see progress like that in this country again.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbuddha</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-82411</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10% ... why is that unrealistic? The share market index has returned an average of 15%+ historically ... and thats just the all ords ... 

I&#039;d do alittle more looking into it before making such a broad sweeping statement like 10% is unrealistic ...

then again I&#039;ll never shy from being proven wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10% &#8230; why is that unrealistic? The share market index has returned an average of 15%+ historically &#8230; and thats just the all ords &#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;d do alittle more looking into it before making such a broad sweeping statement like 10% is unrealistic &#8230;</p>
<p>then again I&#8217;ll never shy from being proven wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-79617</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should only cut down what&#039;s not important to us:  retirmement is important, sending kids to college, owning a house, having reliable transportion -- most people might think those things are all important.  The problem is, as it is with all economics, limited resources:  how can you get to all of those goals if you don&#039;t give up something?  I don&#039;t have a good answer to that, but, I guess, giving up some things is better than giving up others.  For some, it&#039;s the daily vices that really add up (and, losing them may provide a healthier life).  Others don&#039;t want to quit coffee or cigarettes or drinking or whatever, it&#039;s part of their pleasure in life.  But for some, pleasure also consists in having a fantastic first class expensive vacation.  Or a &quot;done&quot; home.  It is all choices, and, no one person can decide what is right for another.  I will say this:  if you don&#039;t decide, you will not have the ability to decide, i.e., if you don&#039;t start investing for retirement, you will not have a choice about what kind of retirement you will have.  And if you put all this instant gratification type shopping things on credit, you won&#039;t be able to afford nice cars or lattes.  Make choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should only cut down what&#8217;s not important to us:  retirmement is important, sending kids to college, owning a house, having reliable transportion &#8212; most people might think those things are all important.  The problem is, as it is with all economics, limited resources:  how can you get to all of those goals if you don&#8217;t give up something?  I don&#8217;t have a good answer to that, but, I guess, giving up some things is better than giving up others.  For some, it&#8217;s the daily vices that really add up (and, losing them may provide a healthier life).  Others don&#8217;t want to quit coffee or cigarettes or drinking or whatever, it&#8217;s part of their pleasure in life.  But for some, pleasure also consists in having a fantastic first class expensive vacation.  Or a &#8220;done&#8221; home.  It is all choices, and, no one person can decide what is right for another.  I will say this:  if you don&#8217;t decide, you will not have the ability to decide, i.e., if you don&#8217;t start investing for retirement, you will not have a choice about what kind of retirement you will have.  And if you put all this instant gratification type shopping things on credit, you won&#8217;t be able to afford nice cars or lattes.  Make choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-79346</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently quitting caffeine and it isn&#039;t as hard as people make it sound. Just reduce your intake gradually over a few weeks, replacing it with something healthier like water or herbal tea.

I also quit smoking, quit junk food, drastically reduced eating out, and more, and all that stuff really adds up (about $20,000 a year in total). That&#039;s big money. And if you put your mind to it, quitting these additions isn&#039;t that hard.

Check out my post on this:

How I Save Money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently quitting caffeine and it isn&#8217;t as hard as people make it sound. Just reduce your intake gradually over a few weeks, replacing it with something healthier like water or herbal tea.</p>
<p>I also quit smoking, quit junk food, drastically reduced eating out, and more, and all that stuff really adds up (about $20,000 a year in total). That&#8217;s big money. And if you put your mind to it, quitting these additions isn&#8217;t that hard.</p>
<p>Check out my post on this:</p>
<p>How I Save Money</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-79326</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stopping or limiting vacations is where I draw the line and get off the train...

What&#039;s it all for if LIFE can not be enjoyed?  

Some of this stuff is simply getting far to micro for me to enjoy.  I guess I manage my finances well, so many of these articles are not directed at me, but there needs to be a limit.  Enjoy the coffee...Enjoy the PRE-OWNED Lexus, enjoy a trip to Ireland, just don&#039;t go over-board with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stopping or limiting vacations is where I draw the line and get off the train&#8230;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s it all for if LIFE can not be enjoyed?  </p>
<p>Some of this stuff is simply getting far to micro for me to enjoy.  I guess I manage my finances well, so many of these articles are not directed at me, but there needs to be a limit.  Enjoy the coffee&#8230;Enjoy the PRE-OWNED Lexus, enjoy a trip to Ireland, just don&#8217;t go over-board with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Growth in Value</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-79063</link>
		<dc:creator>Growth in Value</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re definitely on to something here. 

I wrote about this phenomenon myself on my blog a few months back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re definitely on to something here. </p>
<p>I wrote about this phenomenon myself on my blog a few months back</p>
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		<title>By: ispf</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-79048</link>
		<dc:creator>ispf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]Flexo over at Consumerism Commentary instigates an interesting discussion with the post titled Forget About the Latte Factor. Not only is the article interesting, it is followed by a fantastic discussion in the comments sections. Check it out.[...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]Flexo over at Consumerism Commentary instigates an interesting discussion with the post titled Forget About the Latte Factor. Not only is the article interesting, it is followed by a fantastic discussion in the comments sections. Check it out.[...]</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Piatt</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-78665</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Piatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who earns minimum wage, I note that this is all pretty much useless to some of us.  I can&#039;t afford a car.  I can&#039;t afford to have kids.  I can&#039;t afford to take vacations.  I have never even bought a latte or even a cup of plain coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who earns minimum wage, I note that this is all pretty much useless to some of us.  I can&#8217;t afford a car.  I can&#8217;t afford to have kids.  I can&#8217;t afford to take vacations.  I have never even bought a latte or even a cup of plain coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: LivingAlmostLarge</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-77997</link>
		<dc:creator>LivingAlmostLarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree with Updegrave.  It also follows the idea of MSN 60% solution which says it&#039;s your committed expenses that kill you.  It is so tough because when people buy too much house they are unable to save anything.  So I guess it isn&#039;t just the lattes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree with Updegrave.  It also follows the idea of MSN 60% solution which says it&#8217;s your committed expenses that kill you.  It is so tough because when people buy too much house they are unable to save anything.  So I guess it isn&#8217;t just the lattes.</p>
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		<title>By: fivecentnickel.com</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-77931</link>
		<dc:creator>fivecentnickel.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weekly Roundup - 01/12/07...

Here&#8217;s a quick look at some of the personal finance related articles that caught my eye over the past week&#8230; 

Jim profiles the &#8220;Dogs of the Dow&#8221; stock picking strategy.
Flexo thinks that we should forget about &#8220;The Latte F...</description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a quick look at some of the personal finance related articles that caught my eye over the past week&#8230; </p>
<p>Jim profiles the &#8220;Dogs of the Dow&#8221; stock picking strategy.<br />
Flexo thinks that we should forget about &#8220;The Latte F&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Flexo</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-77919</link>
		<dc:creator>Flexo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that habits and mindsets contribute to long term success... but one poor &lt;i&gt;large&lt;/i&gt; decision can eliminate any gains from a lifetime of smart small habits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that habits and mindsets contribute to long term success&#8230; but one poor <i>large</i> decision can eliminate any gains from a lifetime of smart small habits.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Woehrle</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-77914</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Woehrle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I both work in downtown in a major city. Even a quick sandwich and a soda brought back to eat at your desk costs at least $7. So between the 2 of us we were spending $280 a month ($3,360 a year) on lunches. That&#039;s about equivalent to what we&#039;re socking away for one child&#039;s college education! (and we have 2)

So I started making the sandwiches and packing lunches the night before, which is a major pain that I would love to give up. But I figure I&#039;m saving us $10 a day, including the cost of food from the grocery store, so I am committed. That $10 is $2,400 a year, better off in my pocket (or a college fund).

Also, I buy my diet soda (I know, I know, bad for me and my teeth) on sale by the case at a downtown drugstore, and lug them back to the office instead of buying them from the office vending machine. This saves another $120 a year ($0.25 or less versus $0.75), and is the exact same soda.

The sandwiches aren&#039;t bad, and this way when I do go out for an occasional pricey lunch, it&#039;s a real treat.

I absolutely believe that our regular habits count the most when it comes to managing money over a lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I both work in downtown in a major city. Even a quick sandwich and a soda brought back to eat at your desk costs at least $7. So between the 2 of us we were spending $280 a month ($3,360 a year) on lunches. That&#8217;s about equivalent to what we&#8217;re socking away for one child&#8217;s college education! (and we have 2)</p>
<p>So I started making the sandwiches and packing lunches the night before, which is a major pain that I would love to give up. But I figure I&#8217;m saving us $10 a day, including the cost of food from the grocery store, so I am committed. That $10 is $2,400 a year, better off in my pocket (or a college fund).</p>
<p>Also, I buy my diet soda (I know, I know, bad for me and my teeth) on sale by the case at a downtown drugstore, and lug them back to the office instead of buying them from the office vending machine. This saves another $120 a year ($0.25 or less versus $0.75), and is the exact same soda.</p>
<p>The sandwiches aren&#8217;t bad, and this way when I do go out for an occasional pricey lunch, it&#8217;s a real treat.</p>
<p>I absolutely believe that our regular habits count the most when it comes to managing money over a lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: traineeinvestor</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-77673</link>
		<dc:creator>traineeinvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t view this as an &quot;either/or&quot; issue.  Big things have the potential for bigger savings - as an example we do not own a car which is a huge saving. Small things can also be important. My first savings came from controlling small expenses as a student and when I first started working for a low salary - at the time saving money in small ways was the only way to save money because there were no large expenses to cut back on.

All cost savings ultimately add up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t view this as an &#8220;either/or&#8221; issue.  Big things have the potential for bigger savings &#8211; as an example we do not own a car which is a huge saving. Small things can also be important. My first savings came from controlling small expenses as a student and when I first started working for a low salary &#8211; at the time saving money in small ways was the only way to save money because there were no large expenses to cut back on.</p>
<p>All cost savings ultimately add up.</p>
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		<title>By: Golbguru</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-77633</link>
		<dc:creator>Golbguru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One big smart decision can save you a bulk, I agree with you there, but 10 small foolish things can keep bleeding you into agony. So yeah it&#039;s a smart thing not to waste those 3 bucks in the daily coffee...or whatever other habitual expense that you are into. 

Having said that, I simply brush off the &quot;convert $3 in $1 million&quot; advice that follows the &quot;stop spending&quot; advice. I just pretend it&#039;s for inspiration. Most of such schemes sound pretty stretched out from reality. Sometimes, these stupid schemes take the charm away from the main advice: &quot;spend money smartly&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One big smart decision can save you a bulk, I agree with you there, but 10 small foolish things can keep bleeding you into agony. So yeah it&#8217;s a smart thing not to waste those 3 bucks in the daily coffee&#8230;or whatever other habitual expense that you are into. </p>
<p>Having said that, I simply brush off the &#8220;convert $3 in $1 million&#8221; advice that follows the &#8220;stop spending&#8221; advice. I just pretend it&#8217;s for inspiration. Most of such schemes sound pretty stretched out from reality. Sometimes, these stupid schemes take the charm away from the main advice: &#8220;spend money smartly&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Man and Money</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-77619</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazy Man and Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, the problem is that inflation eats way the 10% each year.  You might make 10%, but if everything costs 4% more, have you really made 10%?  I say you made 6%.  That 6% is then  taxed when you take it out of your 401k.  You might lose 1/4th of more of it after that.  And of course there are fees in the  401k.

Yeah, it&#039;s tax-free in your Roth, but you are limited with how much you do there.  I already max that out, so when I save more money, I can&#039;t put more into a Roth.  When they make Roth&#039;s without limits, I&#039;ll buy into it being tax-free :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, the problem is that inflation eats way the 10% each year.  You might make 10%, but if everything costs 4% more, have you really made 10%?  I say you made 6%.  That 6% is then  taxed when you take it out of your 401k.  You might lose 1/4th of more of it after that.  And of course there are fees in the  401k.</p>
<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s tax-free in your Roth, but you are limited with how much you do there.  I already max that out, so when I save more money, I can&#8217;t put more into a Roth.  When they make Roth&#8217;s without limits, I&#8217;ll buy into it being tax-free :-).</p>
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		<title>By: Flexo</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/01/12/forget-about-the-latte-factor/#comment-77614</link>
		<dc:creator>Flexo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, everyone.  Very interesting discussion.  $4 a day is nothing, but it adds up over time.  But when you&#039;re concentrating on the little things without paying attention to the big decisions, you make poor choices that &lt;i&gt;completely negate&lt;/i&gt; any gains you would have gotten by depriving yourself of your latte (or whatever) a day.  I&#039;m not speaking literally here... the latte as commeters above said represent any little change you can make.

You can&#039;t focus on these little things and expect to be any better off in the long run if you don&#039;t concentrate on the bigger decisions... regardless of whether you&#039;re getting 6% or 10% on your anti-latte investment.  Most people won&#039;t invest the money they save from this endeavor, anyway.

Brian H: &quot;Almost all the successful people you read about started small.&quot;  I&#039;m not sure that this is a provable statement, but even if it is true, that doesn&#039;t mean the Latte Factor is the solution.  Start out small could easily mean starting out building a small business... which is how the successful people I know started.  Lattes (or any other little expense) were not part of the equation.

Alex: Thanks for the link.  It is a wow factor.  People who read Bach&#039;s theory are supposed to say, &quot;Wow!  I can save almost $1m by not drinking lattes!&quot;  And then they&#039;ll buy his book.  &quot;Wow&quot; sells books... just ask &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tompeters.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Peters&lt;/a&gt;.

Stephanie: I agree that people can cut back, but buying things one doesn&#039;t use is something different than buying a latte which presumably provides immediate sustenance and enjoyment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, everyone.  Very interesting discussion.  $4 a day is nothing, but it adds up over time.  But when you&#8217;re concentrating on the little things without paying attention to the big decisions, you make poor choices that <i>completely negate</i> any gains you would have gotten by depriving yourself of your latte (or whatever) a day.  I&#8217;m not speaking literally here&#8230; the latte as commeters above said represent any little change you can make.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t focus on these little things and expect to be any better off in the long run if you don&#8217;t concentrate on the bigger decisions&#8230; regardless of whether you&#8217;re getting 6% or 10% on your anti-latte investment.  Most people won&#8217;t invest the money they save from this endeavor, anyway.</p>
<p>Brian H: &#8220;Almost all the successful people you read about started small.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not sure that this is a provable statement, but even if it is true, that doesn&#8217;t mean the Latte Factor is the solution.  Start out small could easily mean starting out building a small business&#8230; which is how the successful people I know started.  Lattes (or any other little expense) were not part of the equation.</p>
<p>Alex: Thanks for the link.  It is a wow factor.  People who read Bach&#8217;s theory are supposed to say, &#8220;Wow!  I can save almost $1m by not drinking lattes!&#8221;  And then they&#8217;ll buy his book.  &#8220;Wow&#8221; sells books&#8230; just ask <a href="http://www.tompeters.com/" rel="nofollow">Tom Peters</a>.</p>
<p>Stephanie: I agree that people can cut back, but buying things one doesn&#8217;t use is something different than buying a latte which presumably provides immediate sustenance and enjoyment.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone just has to take the idea of the Latte Factor and look at their own life. For example, no one in my family drinks coffee because we all have a caffeine allergy. But there are similar things that should be cut back.

For example, my mom needs to stop buying things just because they&#039;re &quot;on sale.&quot; She bought this all-in-one record player, cd player, radio thing the other day, because we don&#039;t have one anymore. But, for the 10 or so years we did have all of those things, she never used them! She bought it just because it was on sale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone just has to take the idea of the Latte Factor and look at their own life. For example, no one in my family drinks coffee because we all have a caffeine allergy. But there are similar things that should be cut back.</p>
<p>For example, my mom needs to stop buying things just because they&#8217;re &#8220;on sale.&#8221; She bought this all-in-one record player, cd player, radio thing the other day, because we don&#8217;t have one anymore. But, for the 10 or so years we did have all of those things, she never used them! She bought it just because it was on sale!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the whole point behind the latte factor - is to stop wasting money on the little things, right?  I think the numbers are more ment to make a point - it&#039;s more of the &quot;wow&quot; factor behind what you&#039;re spending... and not really a life planning tool.

I did a post on this recently - and not only do I discount the premise of the latte factor, but I think that under certain circumstances that Latte might actually add-value to your life.

Here&#039;s a link... 

http://www.thealexblog.com/2006/11/06/beyond-the-latte-factor-look-at-the-income-side/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the whole point behind the latte factor &#8211; is to stop wasting money on the little things, right?  I think the numbers are more ment to make a point &#8211; it&#8217;s more of the &#8220;wow&#8221; factor behind what you&#8217;re spending&#8230; and not really a life planning tool.</p>
<p>I did a post on this recently &#8211; and not only do I discount the premise of the latte factor, but I think that under certain circumstances that Latte might actually add-value to your life.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thealexblog.com/2006/11/06/beyond-the-latte-factor-look-at-the-income-side/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thealexblog.com/2006/11/06/beyond-the-latte-factor-look-at-the-income-side/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Jim Rohn, the philosophy of the rich versus the poor is this:

&quot;The rich invest their money and spend what is left; the poor spend their money and invest what is left.&quot;

This paragraph is the key to understanding how to put your financial house in order. Ignoring it will leave you in a sad place. Practicing it will propel you toward your goals.

You don&#039;t have to invest all your money at once. You can start off with just a few dollars. And trust me, no matter how bad times may be, you will not miss a few dollars a week.

And if you think that a few dollars a week won&#039;t add up to muchÃ¢â‚¬â€?you&#039;re wrong.

Almost all the successful people you read about started small. The famous actors that now make millions of dollars per movie, started working for free in community theaters. Then they moved up to getting paid a few bucks for bit parts in movies.

Many CEOs and presidents who make millions of dollars a year, started off in the mailroom working for minimum wage at the very same corporations they now run.

And almost all of the world&#039;s richest investors started off making tiny investments at first. You can&#039;t get to something big if you don&#039;t start with something small.

So yes, even investing just a few dollars a week will open the door for you to soon start investing much more.

Small hinges swing big doors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Jim Rohn, the philosophy of the rich versus the poor is this:</p>
<p>&#8220;The rich invest their money and spend what is left; the poor spend their money and invest what is left.&#8221;</p>
<p>This paragraph is the key to understanding how to put your financial house in order. Ignoring it will leave you in a sad place. Practicing it will propel you toward your goals.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to invest all your money at once. You can start off with just a few dollars. And trust me, no matter how bad times may be, you will not miss a few dollars a week.</p>
<p>And if you think that a few dollars a week won&#8217;t add up to muchÃ¢â‚¬â€?you&#8217;re wrong.</p>
<p>Almost all the successful people you read about started small. The famous actors that now make millions of dollars per movie, started working for free in community theaters. Then they moved up to getting paid a few bucks for bit parts in movies.</p>
<p>Many CEOs and presidents who make millions of dollars a year, started off in the mailroom working for minimum wage at the very same corporations they now run.</p>
<p>And almost all of the world&#8217;s richest investors started off making tiny investments at first. You can&#8217;t get to something big if you don&#8217;t start with something small.</p>
<p>So yes, even investing just a few dollars a week will open the door for you to soon start investing much more.</p>
<p>Small hinges swing big doors.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the Latte Factor is just an metaphor, not to be taken literally.  Cut out some little luxuries and otherwise live a little beneath your means, and invest the extra money.  You don&#039;t really have to cut out the coffee.  Just brew your own and save a bundle, vs. going to the coffee shop every morning.

I don&#039;t think a 10% average annual return is unrealistic at all.  Take that money and invest it in a broad market index in your 401K for 40 years could easily result in million dollars.  

I ran the following example through a savings calculator:  If you can find $6 a day to save instead of spend, and invest that $180 every month for 40 years at an average return of 10%, you&#039;ll have just over $1,000,000.  If you do this in a Roth IRA, it&#039;s all tax free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the Latte Factor is just an metaphor, not to be taken literally.  Cut out some little luxuries and otherwise live a little beneath your means, and invest the extra money.  You don&#8217;t really have to cut out the coffee.  Just brew your own and save a bundle, vs. going to the coffee shop every morning.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a 10% average annual return is unrealistic at all.  Take that money and invest it in a broad market index in your 401K for 40 years could easily result in million dollars.  </p>
<p>I ran the following example through a savings calculator:  If you can find $6 a day to save instead of spend, and invest that $180 every month for 40 years at an average return of 10%, you&#8217;ll have just over $1,000,000.  If you do this in a Roth IRA, it&#8217;s all tax free.</p>
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		<title>By: dimes</title>
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		<dc:creator>dimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Bach always works with the assumptions that his readers are in the 30% tax bracket and have a matched 401k, AND will get a 10% return on those 401k earnings.  He doesn&#039;t bother to speculate about the tax rate upon retirement either, so most of his numbers are just abstract hogwash.  

For Updegrave, who can afford vacations?  And while I know the cost of college is rising, it&#039;s rising across all income levels.  When I was in college a few years ago, it was a difference of about $70K between the state university and the private university, assuming no scholarship at all.  And any attractive candidate will usually get some scholarship, provided he or she picks the right university.  

The expensive car thing is on the level though.  Enormous car loans seem to be the kiss of death around here.  Even cheap cars that are stupidly financed are big money wasters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Bach always works with the assumptions that his readers are in the 30% tax bracket and have a matched 401k, AND will get a 10% return on those 401k earnings.  He doesn&#8217;t bother to speculate about the tax rate upon retirement either, so most of his numbers are just abstract hogwash.  </p>
<p>For Updegrave, who can afford vacations?  And while I know the cost of college is rising, it&#8217;s rising across all income levels.  When I was in college a few years ago, it was a difference of about $70K between the state university and the private university, assuming no scholarship at all.  And any attractive candidate will usually get some scholarship, provided he or she picks the right university.  </p>
<p>The expensive car thing is on the level though.  Enormous car loans seem to be the kiss of death around here.  Even cheap cars that are stupidly financed are big money wasters.</p>
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