A while ago, I started a series reviewing my experience with the University of Phoenix Online. I attended this school through its online master’s degree program and I earned my MBA several months ago. So far, I’ve discussed how I decided to go this route, their admission philosophy and policies, and what it’s like attending a course online.
The next part, a review of my curriculum is long past due. I’ve procrastinated this section as I originally intended to take a quick look at each course and write about the merits of each. This was a daunting task hindering me from continuing the series. I’ve decided to take a different, more general approach.
The bottom line is that there were only a few courses from which I feel I gained useful knowledge. The first course was a three-week, 1 credit course called “Managerial Communication.” The class allowed the students to get their feet wet with the format, which for some students was quite foreign and a major change. It forced us to rethink the techniques we’ve learned throughout our lives for effective learning. My prior experience with technology and online learning helped make it a quick transition for me, but others were not as successful. Here are the “highlights” of the rest of the curriculum.
- Human Relations and Organizational Behavior: the theory behind behavior I’ve observed in the workplace, and how to manage people and projects.
- Statistics: I’ll still need to use reference materials if my job every required statistical analysis, but the classes was good practice.
- Accounting: I’ve been “in accounting” for a while but never had an overview of its theories and practices, just learned on the job. The class added some technical knowledge, but not much practical ideas.
- Finance: These classes were helpful in terms of reading and analyzing financial statements and preparing budgets and forecasts.
- Project Management: I did pick up useful tools and techniques for running projects, something which I didn’t have extensive experience on the job.
- Information Management and e-Business: Nothing I didn’t already know from my own experiences, these classes added very little.
- Cases in Decision Making: This class did a good job of bringing together everything from the two years of classes and running decision making scenarios.
My path at the University of Phoenix involved a curriculum of 46 credits for a general MBA. The University’s program description is a little different as it provides this information:
The MBA consists of 39 credit hours and includes three proficiency courses (MBA 501, MBA 502, MBA 503) which may be satisfied using an undergraduate business degree, undergraduate coursework or graduate coursework. Students may also waive an additional nine credits using graduate courses and may qualify for a 21-credit hour residency.
During my time enrolled, the University updated the curriculum several times. In the middle of my degree pursuit, I dropped to part time employment at my job to teach music full time in a high school for six months. (This time also coincided with a hiatus on Consumerism Commentary.) I paused my degree for a year, and when I returned, there were several changes to the curriculum and to my overall experience, but I’ll get to that in Part 5.
This is Part 4 of a series about my experiences with the University of Phoenix Online. Here is what has been published so far.
- Part 1: The Decision
- Part 2: Admissions
- Part 3: Course Logistics
- Part 4: Curriculum
- Part 5: The Team Experience
- Part 6: Administration
- Part 7: Finishing Up
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ARE YOU ABLE TO GET A FULL TIME JOB WITH YOUR U OF PHEONIX’S MBA AND MAKE OVER $70,000 A YEAR?
Me? I haven’t looked for a new job since finishing my degree. Others have gotten decent jobs with a salary above what you’re asking after getting their degree, but many of the people in my courses, especially towards the end of the curriculum, all ready had jobs making above that amount and were getting the degree to sharpen their skills and round out their knowledge rather than get a promotion.
I don’t think the chief operations officer of a midsize business or the director of human resources is looking to get the degree for a $70,000 a year job as a manager. They pursued the degree for other reasons.
If you can’t get a $70,000 a year job without an MBA, chances are you won’t hold a $70,000 with an MBA for long.
We’re talking about standard business schools here, not Ivy League where people will give you a job doing whatever you like for whatever salary you like just because a certain school is listed on your resume. If that’s what you want, try Harvard or Wharton.
How on earth can you consider a 21-credit ‘degree’ an MBA? You can take 7 6-week online courses and go around saying that you have an MBA? That is a joke. No reputable business would pay you a premium for that.
Thank for exposing what a fraud these ‘degrees’ are. How about studying the brilliance of the Apollo Group in business school: “How can we go about getting people to pay us for something completely worthless?” Genius!
Mike, the program isn’t 21 credits. Apparently some of the requirements can be bypassed by prior coursework or a residency, but this is no different than most graduate programs throughout this country. My path required 46 credits, and some others required 52 or more.
I am interested in your comments on the information management, IT, ecommerce courses. That is what I am looking into, so I was wondering what information you can provide about the courses, since it is a little difficult to get specific info about the courses from the recruiters.
I agree with Mike’s comment that a degree at UOP will not carry as much weight compared to a degree at an Ivy League school. I think most UOP students are aware of this when they enter the program. Generally speaking, UOP students are older and already established in their career and want to obtain their master degree at a school that offers them the flexibility to go to school full-time, have a career and family. On the other hand, an Ivy League student is probably younger and is pursuing their MBA so that they can climb the corporate ladder quicker.
I can see how a degree at UOP may seem like a joke to someone who has an MBA degree from a top 25 school and I agree on paper it does not look that great. However, an MBA degree from a top 25 school does not mean you will make more money and have a higher position compared to a UOP graduate. It all boils down to how well you apply yourself and what you want to get out of it once you get your degree (even a little bit of luck comes into play). For instance, I have a friend who has a JD/MBA degree from a top school, but cannot get a job since she does not know how to look for a job or even interview. Flexo, I applaud you on your accomplishment in completing your degree and I’m sure you’ll do well!!!
I just applied to UOP’s MBA program last week. After looking at several schools I decided that UOP was the best route for me. Just like Janice said it doesn’t matter if you went to UOP or Wharton, it depends on how you apply your yourself afterwards that counts. At the end of the day, a degree is a degree. UOP is a business just like Wharton, although they have differing marketing techniques. The point is that anyone willing to take the extra step to continue learning with an advanced degree deserves praise. I liken UOP and Wharton to a Honda and Mercedes. The Honda may cost $30K less than the Mercedes but it will still get you from point A to B when you hit the gas.
I just completed my first class (with an A). I have a great job and am definitely able to get into a top school, but tried UoP since I travel extensively – I liked the option of switching online if I needed to. I’m doing the “bricks and mortal” path and love it. It’s quite challenging. I write a paper every week, have a lot of reading and just in the first class, I’ve learned so much. At first, I was leary of UofP (is it reputable, etc.). At the end of the day, if you can’t use it, does it matter? I’m a great point in my career, this can only help.
Phoenix online is the biggest rip-off ever!
The costs for the classes are much more than any other online university. They refuse to work with Great Lakes student loans, and their instructors are very biased.
A BS from a good credited college is worth more than an MBA from Phoenix. Plus it doesn’t cost nearly as much.
I am a UoP MBA student and find the comments quite interesting. I respect your opinion, but I know for a fact that there are other universities that are much more expensive than UoP…matter of fact that is why I dropped out of my clinical psyc major at a different university – their prices started decent per course, but it seemed that each year their prices were going up by the $500’s.
I am about to begin my 5th class with them, via the campus/OLS version. So far, I enjoy the courses and am learning quite a lot. With any course, especially at a Master’s level, the student is totally responsible for what they gain from the program. For myself, I gain more from the ground courses, due to the face to face interaction and being able to ask questions and get immediate responses. However, I know that I am in control of my learning, and regardless of which format I use, whatever level of effort I decide to put forth in the courses, correlates to what I gain.
In reply to Mike’s comments: It seems that you have a ingrained hatred for online degree programs. I’ve read all of your comments and every single one is negative. It’s great that you went to a business school ranked in the Top 25, but I’m pretty sure that attending one of those 25 schools does not guarantee an individual a high paying job. The UofP program is designed to compliment real world business skill and knowledge, and does a great job in doing this. Work experience accounts for a lot in real life, and the name of the school on a resume does little to reflect the knowledge and skills a person possesses. You can be an Ivy League graduate, but still be undisiplined, lazy and and plainly stupid. The Uof P forces students to take contraol of their education rather than just going with the flow. In any educational environment, the student only gets out what they are willing to put in.
I got lucky with a great Job that pays very well, unfortunatly i have no degree and thinking of going to UOP i have not heard nothing but great things about the School, what made me want to apply is my cousin lived in Canada and did his masters with UOP and found a prestigeous job in DUBAI. as long as UOF is accredited it does not even matter if you graduated from HARVARD, its all about how good you interview knowing that you have a backup and that is your Degree
Chuck well stated! They speak so badly of UOP but what you put in it, is what you will get out of it. I know many college students that cant remember what they have learned at a traditional school. What people fail to understand is, we the students teach ourselves and thats how we will retain the information forever. UOP allows you to become organized and strict when taking your course. My thing is experience it first before you talk crap!!!!!!
Thank you all for your comments. I want to start my MBA at UOP and I was very doubtful before Iread the comments. I was always scared that ou spend the money and not one respects or accepts your degree. I am glad that this is noteveryones feeling. Also for Mike my friend graduated with and MBA from UOP and she is the VP of Business Devleopement of healthcare company. So Iw will move with my MBA at UOP. Thanks Again.
There are a lot of interesting comments on here. I have a year and a half to finish my BSBM, then I intend to continue with the MBA program.
I think most of the responsibility is on the student to maximize the potential of him or herself and the quality of education he or she experiences. There are people at top 25 schools who do not put forth the effort, no different than any state school or online school.
A major point I did not see in comments is that you do not have to work exclusively online. I attend school in person and rarely, an online class shows up on my schedule. (I think it will be 2 classes out of all of them). The personal interaction with working professionals and working professors is invaluable.
Many people that I know who have attended well known schools, did not necessarily earn a better education. You can easily see who earned their credentials and who happens to have them. I work with both types of people.
I work in sales and make a considerable salary plus commission. In addition, I am a single father.
This program makes the most sense for me.
This program is effective and extremely challenging. I recommend going to see for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
Also, remember misery loves company so avoid the naysayers no matter what the topic.
Have a nice one,
Jeff