Comments on: My Next Step: Two Bedroom Condo or More Renting? http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/ A premiere personal finance blog, established 2003. Within, Flexo discusses his own experiences with money, and he and other authors comment on a wide range of personal finance topics. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:50:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Karl http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-110920 Karl Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:27:28 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-110920 Doing a lowball bid worked for me a year ago on my house in northern New Jersey; the sellers were getting divorced and we settled on a price in the middle. Definitely have a reserve for repairs, though, particularly if the place is older (mine is 76 years old, somewhat typical for the area). The first six or eight months, I was averaging $500 in surprises every month ($900 for a water heater, $700 for a refrigerator, leaky shower, etc.). It has a lot of charm, though. Doing a lowball bid worked for me a year ago on my house in northern New Jersey; the sellers were getting divorced and we settled on a price in the middle. Definitely have a reserve for repairs, though, particularly if the place is older (mine is 76 years old, somewhat typical for the area). The first six or eight months, I was averaging $500 in surprises every month ($900 for a water heater, $700 for a refrigerator, leaky shower, etc.). It has a lot of charm, though.

]]> By: » Buy a Condo or Rent an Apartment: My Decision on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-108421 » Buy a Condo or Rent an Apartment: My Decision on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:55:17 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-108421 [...] a month ago I publicly ruminated on the yearly question of whether to rent again for another year or settle down and buy a house to call my [...] [...] a month ago I publicly ruminated on the yearly question of whether to rent again for another year or settle down and buy a house to call my [...]

]]> By: Advanced Personal Finance » Blog Archive » The reported rate of inflation is a lie http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-98626 Advanced Personal Finance » Blog Archive » The reported rate of inflation is a lie Wed, 16 May 2007 11:13:38 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-98626 [...] Every month, BLS polls 50,000 landlords and tenants to come up with owners’ equivalent rent. But because of the recent housing bubble, rents nationwide have been suppressed as more people could ‘afford’ a home and bought one. This caused a glut of unoccupied rental units and hence kept a lid on rents. That’s why people like Flexo at Consumerism Commentary are now comparing the wisdom of renting versus buying. [...] [...] Every month, BLS polls 50,000 landlords and tenants to come up with owners’ equivalent rent. But because of the recent housing bubble, rents nationwide have been suppressed as more people could ‘afford’ a home and bought one. This caused a glut of unoccupied rental units and hence kept a lid on rents. That’s why people like Flexo at Consumerism Commentary are now comparing the wisdom of renting versus buying. [...]

]]> By: » 4 Ways to Simplify Finances Where Possible on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95370 » 4 Ways to Simplify Finances Where Possible on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog Tue, 01 May 2007 12:22:32 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95370 [...] Account Rates • RSS and Email Subscriptions • Advertising Opportunities Top Stories: Condo or More Renting? • I Got a Nintendo Wii • Generic Brands and Store Brands • Should High Schools [...] [...] Account Rates • RSS and Email Subscriptions • Advertising Opportunities Top Stories: Condo or More Renting? • I Got a Nintendo Wii • Generic Brands and Store Brands • Should High Schools [...]

]]> By: » The Carnival is Up! on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95292 » The Carnival is Up! on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:02:44 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95292 [...] The King of Debt was kind enough to include my submission as well, My Next Step: Two-Bedroom Condo or More Renting. [...] [...] The King of Debt was kind enough to include my submission as well, My Next Step: Two-Bedroom Condo or More Renting. [...]

]]> By: Carnival of Personal Finance #98 → We’re In Debt http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95282 Carnival of Personal Finance #98 → We’re In Debt Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:47:03 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95282 [...] is wondering if it’s time for upgrade. His lease is ending soon and it very well could be [...] [...] is wondering if it’s time for upgrade. His lease is ending soon and it very well could be [...]

]]> By: Blain Reinkensmeyer http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95276 Blain Reinkensmeyer Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:31:31 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95276 I would say it all depends on what your goal is overall. If you want to live closer to your girlfriend and to work then renting is the better option. But, if you want to "settle down" and own a place after 8 years of renting or what have you then buy. Your goals will push you in the direction you ultimately want to be. Renting will surely allow you to save more money as well, but does it matter? All comes down to a simple question Flexo, what do YOU want in your life? I would say it all depends on what your goal is overall. If you want to live closer to your girlfriend and to work then renting is the better option. But, if you want to “settle down” and own a place after 8 years of renting or what have you then buy.

Your goals will push you in the direction you ultimately want to be. Renting will surely allow you to save more money as well, but does it matter? All comes down to a simple question Flexo, what do YOU want in your life?

]]> By: Mighty Bargain Hunter » Roundup for week of 22 April 2007 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95197 Mighty Bargain Hunter » Roundup for week of 22 April 2007 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:23:55 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95197 [...] Consumerism Commentary debates what real estate move he wants to take. [...] [...] Consumerism Commentary debates what real estate move he wants to take. [...]

]]> By: Lee http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95126 Lee Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:44:38 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-95126 Ask people who you know will give you a very one-sided answer, and see which you have a negative reaction to, or which one you argue with more fiercely, trying to sway them to the other side. While this is a finance blog and all is supposed to be very rational and spreadsheet-ish, the gut knows best. Ask people who you know will give you a very one-sided answer, and see which you have a negative reaction to, or which one you argue with more fiercely, trying to sway them to the other side. While this is a finance blog and all is supposed to be very rational and spreadsheet-ish, the gut knows best.

]]> By: Flexo http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94945 Flexo Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:41:17 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94945 Golbguru: I think you hit the nail on the head about the need to prioritize the variables. As far as the time frame goes, I have been *thinking* about it for at least six months, but I haven't gotten closer to a decision yet. Golbguru: I think you hit the nail on the head about the need to prioritize the variables. As far as the time frame goes, I have been *thinking* about it for at least six months, but I haven’t gotten closer to a decision yet.

]]> By: Golbguru http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94871 Golbguru Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:15:28 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94871 Flexo, you are dealing with too many variables at a time. I am sure you have a priority list, but if you don't you need one. It might get much simpler than it seems. If you want to be closer to your girlfriend, anything that takes you away is out of question; whether that's a financially wise decision or not. New York times is analyzing the problem in purely financial terms (again with lot of market *variables* as you correctly point out) and if I were in your situation, I wouldn't rely to much on it...whatever it says. So take that out of the equation. Although there may be a financial see-saw between renting and owing, it would be wise to go with what is *affordable* to you. If you can *afford* to buy a house that suits your requirements, then it should work out ok. Finally, if you are talking about June 2007 time frame, you might be cutting it too close for an important decision (invitation for impulsive decisions(?)). Just my 2 cents (ok 10 cents)...sorry I wasn't expecting the comment to get this long. Flexo, you are dealing with too many variables at a time. I am sure you have a priority list, but if you don’t you need one. It might get much simpler than it seems. If you want to be closer to your girlfriend, anything that takes you away is out of question; whether that’s a financially wise decision or not.

New York times is analyzing the problem in purely financial terms (again with lot of market *variables* as you correctly point out) and if I were in your situation, I wouldn’t rely to much on it…whatever it says. So take that out of the equation.

Although there may be a financial see-saw between renting and owing, it would be wise to go with what is *affordable* to you. If you can *afford* to buy a house that suits your requirements, then it should work out ok.

Finally, if you are talking about June 2007 time frame, you might be cutting it too close for an important decision (invitation for impulsive decisions(?)).

Just my 2 cents (ok 10 cents)…sorry I wasn’t expecting the comment to get this long.

]]> By: tolak http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94817 tolak Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:46:08 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94817 I don't know about the "crappy apartment" stereotype. Renters can live anywhere and choose any quality that suits their budget. Living as an owner in a fixer-upper is much worse and yet totally acceptable. I don’t know about the “crappy apartment” stereotype. Renters can live anywhere and choose any quality that suits their budget.

Living as an owner in a fixer-upper is much worse and yet totally acceptable.

]]> By: Doobie http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94813 Doobie Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:25:59 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94813 I think the biggest thing it's going to come down to lifestyle. I own a home and love it. However, I can definitely see the upside of having someone else to lean on for all of your home maintenance problems. During the non-winter months I'll spend at least four hours every weekend maintaining the outside of my house. And that doesn't include everything done on the inside as well, including plumbing, electrical, etc. I'll usually pay for those, but I'm still responsible for getting them fixed. Renting definitely provides you with more free time. I think the biggest thing it’s going to come down to lifestyle. I own a home and love it. However, I can definitely see the upside of having someone else to lean on for all of your home maintenance problems. During the non-winter months I’ll spend at least four hours every weekend maintaining the outside of my house. And that doesn’t include everything done on the inside as well, including plumbing, electrical, etc. I’ll usually pay for those, but I’m still responsible for getting them fixed. Renting definitely provides you with more free time.

]]> By: dong http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94801 dong Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:17:06 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94801 I think renting and buying is almost a relegious battle. Given that I brought and now I rent that makes me agnostic. The one thing I do preach is location, location, location. Pick a place that's a better commite and is a good place to live in. If you have to sacrafice that to buy then I don't think it's worth it. I think renting and buying is almost a relegious battle. Given that I brought and now I rent that makes me agnostic. The one thing I do preach is location, location, location. Pick a place that’s a better commite and is a good place to live in. If you have to sacrafice that to buy then I don’t think it’s worth it.

]]> By: James http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94798 James Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:56:51 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94798 Hey Flexo, Sorry to be a bit of a bug about this, but its usually way better to own than rent. If you own you get the price appreciation, the equity build up and the satisfaction of owning. If you rent, you get none of these. Best, James Hey Flexo,

Sorry to be a bit of a bug about this, but its usually way better to own than rent. If you own you get the price appreciation, the equity build up and the satisfaction of owning. If you rent, you get none of these.

Best,

James

]]> By: PT http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94745 PT Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:28:12 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94745 I'm in the same boat...I've been living/renting in the same area now for essentially 6 years. But I rented because I wanted the flexibility and didn't want the headache. Looking back though, I wish I would have bought long ago. Even if I didn't want to stay in that particular place, I could have rented that place out and enjoyed the process. Wait for the market to dip some more, as predicted, and then go for it man. Purchase that condo and love it. You're the flexo, you should be teaching us about real estate from a first hand perspective. I'm purchasing my first home this fall. Our plan is to live there 5-7 years and then rent it out. I’m in the same boat…I’ve been living/renting in the same area now for essentially 6 years. But I rented because I wanted the flexibility and didn’t want the headache. Looking back though, I wish I would have bought long ago. Even if I didn’t want to stay in that particular place, I could have rented that place out and enjoyed the process.

Wait for the market to dip some more, as predicted, and then go for it man. Purchase that condo and love it. You’re the flexo, you should be teaching us about real estate from a first hand perspective.

I’m purchasing my first home this fall. Our plan is to live there 5-7 years and then rent it out.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94678 Patrick Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:04:49 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94678 The NY Times says it's better to rent than own right now, but that may not always be the case. The big questions you have to ask yourself are do you plan on staying in the area for a few years, and can you afford to make the payments? If so, you might consider purchasing a house. The housing market has been coming down lately and there are a lot of people being forced to sell their homes due to foreclosures. The tough thing is you only have until the end of June before your lease is up. That is not much time to get to know the market and make such a big decision. If you were able to extend your lease a couple months, the market may improve more for buyers, and you will have a better idea of the area you want to live in and which deals are really good. Also keep in mind that condo fees can add quite a bit to your monthly housing bill. The NY Times says it’s better to rent than own right now, but that may not always be the case. The big questions you have to ask yourself are do you plan on staying in the area for a few years, and can you afford to make the payments? If so, you might consider purchasing a house.

The housing market has been coming down lately and there are a lot of people being forced to sell their homes due to foreclosures.

The tough thing is you only have until the end of June before your lease is up. That is not much time to get to know the market and make such a big decision. If you were able to extend your lease a couple months, the market may improve more for buyers, and you will have a better idea of the area you want to live in and which deals are really good.

Also keep in mind that condo fees can add quite a bit to your monthly housing bill.

]]> By: B-low http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94675 B-low Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:41:33 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94675 I totally feel your pain! Right now I'm going through the same mind-bending decision. My fiancee and I are getting married in November and are trying to figure out what to do. Right now, in Michigan (metro-Detroit specifically), it's a great time to buy because the economy is so bad, there are foreclosures and people selling for really low in just about every neighborhood. Problem, of course, is that if things keep getting worse and we want to get out of the state, owning a house would be a bummer because we'd have to sell... blah blah blah. Then, of course, getting my fiancee away from Michigan and her very large family would be just short of a miracle! :-) Very tough decision indeed. Good luck! I totally feel your pain! Right now I’m going through the same mind-bending decision. My fiancee and I are getting married in November and are trying to figure out what to do. Right now, in Michigan (metro-Detroit specifically), it’s a great time to buy because the economy is so bad, there are foreclosures and people selling for really low in just about every neighborhood. Problem, of course, is that if things keep getting worse and we want to get out of the state, owning a house would be a bummer because we’d have to sell… blah blah blah. Then, of course, getting my fiancee away from Michigan and her very large family would be just short of a miracle! :-) Very tough decision indeed. Good luck!

]]> By: Gayla http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94666 Gayla Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:04:32 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94666 In my humble opinion, real estate prices have to come down. I went to look at a house for rent/sale here in Kansas City, and the rent was 850 and the purchase price was 300,000... not to mention the additional cost of taxes, insurance, and maintenance. And, like you said, it's farther from work, shopping, and friends. I DO live in a sufficently crappy apartment and desperately want to buy a home, but the reality of it for me is that it does not appear to be financially responsible at this time. My son is considering buying a home at this time and one thing that I would tell him (if he asked for my advice) is to be informed with the loan papers and not to sign ANYTHING that he does not read and understand fully. Good luck! In my humble opinion, real estate prices have to come down. I went to look at a house for rent/sale here in Kansas City, and the rent was 850 and the purchase price was 300,000… not to mention the additional cost of taxes, insurance, and maintenance. And, like you said, it’s farther from work, shopping, and friends. I DO live in a sufficently crappy apartment and desperately want to buy a home, but the reality of it for me is that it does not appear to be financially responsible at this time. My son is considering buying a home at this time and one thing that I would tell him (if he asked for my advice) is to be informed with the loan papers and not to sign ANYTHING that he does not read and understand fully. Good luck!

]]> By: mapgirl http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94648 mapgirl Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:32:04 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94648 Whether it is cheaper to rent or buy is a question of time-horizon. At this time, it is cheaper for me to rent than it is to buy, but in the DC housing market, having held my condo now for 3 years, I'm at the point where buying was better. But that's a hindsight decision, rather than a decision looking forward into the future. The main thing to ask yourself is how long are you going to live in the next place. If it's less than two years, keep on renting. Whether it is cheaper to rent or buy is a question of time-horizon. At this time, it is cheaper for me to rent than it is to buy, but in the DC housing market, having held my condo now for 3 years, I’m at the point where buying was better. But that’s a hindsight decision, rather than a decision looking forward into the future.

The main thing to ask yourself is how long are you going to live in the next place. If it’s less than two years, keep on renting.

]]> By: KMC http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94631 KMC Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:24:33 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/04/26/my-next-step-two-bedroom-condo-or-more-renting/#comment-94631 This is a tough one, Flexo. There are good reasons on both sides. On the one hand, interest rates are historically low and the housing market is softening, so buying looks more attractive. On the other hand, as you point out, rents are cheaper relative to buying right now. I think maybe you haven't lived in a sufficiently crappy apartment. If you had, the choice would be easy! Good luck on your decision. This is a tough one, Flexo. There are good reasons on both sides. On the one hand, interest rates are historically low and the housing market is softening, so buying looks more attractive. On the other hand, as you point out, rents are cheaper relative to buying right now.
I think maybe you haven’t lived in a sufficiently crappy apartment. If you had, the choice would be easy!
Good luck on your decision.

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