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	<title>Comments on: Ben Stein: Invest or Pay Off Mortgage?</title>
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		<title>By: Clarice Starling</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-199945</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarice Starling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% of the home foreclosures are on homes with a mortgage.</description>
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		<title>By: Push Bhatkoti</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-199397</link>
		<dc:creator>Push Bhatkoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay off your morgage, you are close to your retirement. Don&#039;t take any risk at this age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay off your morgage, you are close to your retirement. Don&#8217;t take any risk at this age.</p>
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		<title>By: If someone could answer this</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-195695</link>
		<dc:creator>If someone could answer this</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We owe 120,00 on our house. My wife is retiring soon and will have 125,00 to put in investing or paying off our house. We dont have alot of other savings available. Should we pay off the house. And invest the 900.00 we pay per month on our house loan. Or just keep paying our loan and invest the 120,000 somewhere. We are 60 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We owe 120,00 on our house. My wife is retiring soon and will have 125,00 to put in investing or paying off our house. We dont have alot of other savings available. Should we pay off the house. And invest the 900.00 we pay per month on our house loan. Or just keep paying our loan and invest the 120,000 somewhere. We are 60 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: CHI-WEST</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-188761</link>
		<dc:creator>CHI-WEST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay off your house . Dont let these financial thieves talk you into anything else. At least you&#039;ll have a place to sleep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay off your house . Dont let these financial thieves talk you into anything else. At least you&#8217;ll have a place to sleep</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Wyatt</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-186224</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is everyone still as sanguine about making a 10% return on the stock market now as they were in June 2007?

The stock market has always had it&#039;s ups and downs.  While I think timing the market is futile for nearly everyone, I haven&#039;t been able to resist myself and have recently doubled my monthly investment into several funds.  It&#039;s like money is on sale now!

The most reliable way we have to make decisions about the stock market is it&#039;s past performance, and past performance indicates that we&#039;ll continue to average 10% or greater returns going forward, with intermittent dips.  Past performance also shows us that 95% of the 5 year periods and 100% of the 10 year periods, in the history of the stock market have made money, and 100% of the 10 year periods.  Which is why if you&#039;re investing for the short term you don&#039;t use the stock market...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is everyone still as sanguine about making a 10% return on the stock market now as they were in June 2007?</p>
<p>The stock market has always had it&#8217;s ups and downs.  While I think timing the market is futile for nearly everyone, I haven&#8217;t been able to resist myself and have recently doubled my monthly investment into several funds.  It&#8217;s like money is on sale now!</p>
<p>The most reliable way we have to make decisions about the stock market is it&#8217;s past performance, and past performance indicates that we&#8217;ll continue to average 10% or greater returns going forward, with intermittent dips.  Past performance also shows us that 95% of the 5 year periods and 100% of the 10 year periods, in the history of the stock market have made money, and 100% of the 10 year periods.  Which is why if you&#8217;re investing for the short term you don&#8217;t use the stock market&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SC</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-186222</link>
		<dc:creator>SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what follow up comments the posters from summer 2007 above would say now that their investments have probably lost 30-50% (or more) in the past 3 months, with no bottom in sight yet.  Of course, on the flip side, their home has probably lost a chunk of value as well, but the house provides shelter and has personal practical use beyond its monetary value, which can&#039;t be said for stock.  If you&#039;re house is paid off, you can live there for the rest of your life, even if it&#039;s value drops 90% and you get the practical use of it.  If you&#039;re retirement investments drop 90% and you still have a mortgage to pay off, say hello to foreclosure.

Is everyone still as sanguine about making a 10% return on the stock market now as they were in June 2007?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what follow up comments the posters from summer 2007 above would say now that their investments have probably lost 30-50% (or more) in the past 3 months, with no bottom in sight yet.  Of course, on the flip side, their home has probably lost a chunk of value as well, but the house provides shelter and has personal practical use beyond its monetary value, which can&#8217;t be said for stock.  If you&#8217;re house is paid off, you can live there for the rest of your life, even if it&#8217;s value drops 90% and you get the practical use of it.  If you&#8217;re retirement investments drop 90% and you still have a mortgage to pay off, say hello to foreclosure.</p>
<p>Is everyone still as sanguine about making a 10% return on the stock market now as they were in June 2007?</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People win the lottery, too.</description>
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		<title>By: Philais</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-185876</link>
		<dc:creator>Philais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its November 2008.  GM stock has been rated as $0..  worthless.  Mutual funds and stock markets are down over 50%. With no end in site! I sold 80 % of my mutual funds in March of 2007 and payed my house off in Texas.  I&#039;m glad I did!  Texas wasn&#039;t in the bubble and the house is worth more today than when I bought it.  If I would have left the money in mutual funds, it would have been worth $300,000 less today.  Instead I have great house on the lake in Austin worth more today.  I also went cash in a 4% saving account and have just now started buying aggressively in the market again.  I have paid all debt off. No house or car or anything.  The money I&#039;m investing now in a declining market will pay big in the coming years.  

Be debt free.  You have many more options in the future.  Hey,  if you lose your job, you probably won&#039;t lose your house!  As we can see in this market with times of huge government spending  and borrowing, times are changing.   

It&#039;s funny to read the comments from the know-it-alls above about the mathematics of investing and bla-bla-bla.  I dare anyone to find a portfolio that has returned 10% annually for the last 10 years!  What bull!  The last 5 years s&amp;P 500 rate is a negative -2.5%!  and before that we had the  2001-2002 crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its November 2008.  GM stock has been rated as $0..  worthless.  Mutual funds and stock markets are down over 50%. With no end in site! I sold 80 % of my mutual funds in March of 2007 and payed my house off in Texas.  I&#8217;m glad I did!  Texas wasn&#8217;t in the bubble and the house is worth more today than when I bought it.  If I would have left the money in mutual funds, it would have been worth $300,000 less today.  Instead I have great house on the lake in Austin worth more today.  I also went cash in a 4% saving account and have just now started buying aggressively in the market again.  I have paid all debt off. No house or car or anything.  The money I&#8217;m investing now in a declining market will pay big in the coming years.  </p>
<p>Be debt free.  You have many more options in the future.  Hey,  if you lose your job, you probably won&#8217;t lose your house!  As we can see in this market with times of huge government spending  and borrowing, times are changing.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny to read the comments from the know-it-alls above about the mathematics of investing and bla-bla-bla.  I dare anyone to find a portfolio that has returned 10% annually for the last 10 years!  What bull!  The last 5 years s&amp;P 500 rate is a negative -2.5%!  and before that we had the  2001-2002 crash.</p>
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		<title>By: EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How &#039;bout just paying your mortgage bi-monthly, once on the 15th and the other at the end(assuming no prepayment penalty)  You&#039;d knock down the principle quicker thereby save tons on interest.  A 30 year mortgage can be reduced to 22 years with this method.  There&#039;s no extra cost involved so the &#039;extra&#039; you would have paid to the mortgage, you can put towards retirement investments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How &#8217;bout just paying your mortgage bi-monthly, once on the 15th and the other at the end(assuming no prepayment penalty)  You&#8217;d knock down the principle quicker thereby save tons on interest.  A 30 year mortgage can be reduced to 22 years with this method.  There&#8217;s no extra cost involved so the &#8216;extra&#8217; you would have paid to the mortgage, you can put towards retirement investments.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the other comments very quickly, so forgive me if I&#039;m missing someone&#039;s comment.  But so far as I saw, I&#039;m really amazed no one has made this very obvious point:

following up on the point made by Stein that paying off a 6% mortgage is equivalent to a 6% return on your investment-- and it&#039;s guaranteed-- we should also take into account that it&#039;s like earning 6% absolutely tax-free.  Because if you&#039;re getting rid of a debt that&#039;s at 6% it&#039;s arithmetically the same thing as earning a 6% return-- but crucially it doesn&#039;t involve any income as defined by the IRS!

Now I&#039;ll admit that when I had a house I didn&#039;t overpay my mortgage-- I put extra money into the stock market instead (buy and hold, baby!).  But I did this in full awareness of the fact that if I could earn 6% in stocks (outside my retirement account), I&#039;d have to pay taxes when I sold, but if I made my debt go down and thus avoided a 6% interest rate on the same money, there would be no taxes.  (Seriously:  where&#039;s the line on your 1040 to list &quot;how much less I owe on my mortgage now&quot;?  If you can&#039;t list it even if you wanted to, then you can&#039;t pay taxes on this &quot;earning&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the other comments very quickly, so forgive me if I&#8217;m missing someone&#8217;s comment.  But so far as I saw, I&#8217;m really amazed no one has made this very obvious point:</p>
<p>following up on the point made by Stein that paying off a 6% mortgage is equivalent to a 6% return on your investment&#8211; and it&#8217;s guaranteed&#8211; we should also take into account that it&#8217;s like earning 6% absolutely tax-free.  Because if you&#8217;re getting rid of a debt that&#8217;s at 6% it&#8217;s arithmetically the same thing as earning a 6% return&#8211; but crucially it doesn&#8217;t involve any income as defined by the IRS!</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ll admit that when I had a house I didn&#8217;t overpay my mortgage&#8211; I put extra money into the stock market instead (buy and hold, baby!).  But I did this in full awareness of the fact that if I could earn 6% in stocks (outside my retirement account), I&#8217;d have to pay taxes when I sold, but if I made my debt go down and thus avoided a 6% interest rate on the same money, there would be no taxes.  (Seriously:  where&#8217;s the line on your 1040 to list &#8220;how much less I owe on my mortgage now&#8221;?  If you can&#8217;t list it even if you wanted to, then you can&#8217;t pay taxes on this &#8220;earning&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: The Simple Dollar &#187; The Simple Dollar Morning Roundup: Ben Stein Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-117817</link>
		<dc:creator>The Simple Dollar &#187; The Simple Dollar Morning Roundup: Ben Stein Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ben Stein: Invest Or Pay Off Mortgage? Stein&#8217;s belief is that if you have a low interest rate on your home mortgage and have investment opportunties that can beat it after taxes, you should invest in those opportunities instead of paying down your home loan. This is great advice, assuming you have the financial willpower to follow through. (@ consumerism commentary) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ben Stein: Invest Or Pay Off Mortgage? Stein&#8217;s belief is that if you have a low interest rate on your home mortgage and have investment opportunties that can beat it after taxes, you should invest in those opportunities instead of paying down your home loan. This is great advice, assuming you have the financial willpower to follow through. (@ consumerism commentary) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Advanced Personal Finance</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-116458</link>
		<dc:creator>Advanced Personal Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carnival of Personal Finance #106...

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		<title>By: 91 Ways To Wealth: The Carnival of Personal Finance, Epic Journey Edition &#187; Silicon Valley Blog About Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>91 Ways To Wealth: The Carnival of Personal Finance, Epic Journey Edition &#187; Silicon Valley Blog About Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to pay off a mortgage early or use that money to invest in the stock market with Ben Stein: Invest of Pay Off Mortgage. True to form, he provides both a mathematical and an emotional point of view in this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Save or Repay Debt&#8211;That is the Question : The Dough Roller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Save or Repay Debt&#8211;That is the Question : The Dough Roller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investing might make sense when you look at potential gains.  But would you consider taking out a loan (assume reasonable interest) just to put money in the stock market.  I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think many people would advocate that Ã¢â‚¬â€œ even if it was long term.  So why do that here.

I also feel better paying off loans.  That is why I pay more to my super low interest student loans.  Sometimes emotions override pure logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investing might make sense when you look at potential gains.  But would you consider taking out a loan (assume reasonable interest) just to put money in the stock market.  I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think many people would advocate that Ã¢â‚¬â€œ even if it was long term.  So why do that here.</p>
<p>I also feel better paying off loans.  That is why I pay more to my super low interest student loans.  Sometimes emotions override pure logic.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Weekly Blog Roundup, Still Moving Edition on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Weekly Blog Roundup, Still Moving Edition on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hudi</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-116159</link>
		<dc:creator>Hudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just crunched the numbers between paying off my student loan at 9.10% or saving in an online bank account at 5% the results were suprising. Because of compoundin the total of 1000 saved at 5% for twenty years would be 2,712.64 but paying off my loan early (one payment)would save me 1,174.80 in interst. Of course I still have to caluclate the taxes i would pay on my earned interest but the diffrence is 537.84 greater if I save at the lower rate and i get an interest deduction on the loan so is this emotional or not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just crunched the numbers between paying off my student loan at 9.10% or saving in an online bank account at 5% the results were suprising. Because of compoundin the total of 1000 saved at 5% for twenty years would be 2,712.64 but paying off my loan early (one payment)would save me 1,174.80 in interst. Of course I still have to caluclate the taxes i would pay on my earned interest but the diffrence is 537.84 greater if I save at the lower rate and i get an interest deduction on the loan so is this emotional or not</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Livingalmost,
I can agree with your statement. I get 50% employer match for me 403b contributions, up to 5% of my annual salary.  Not great, but $5000 + matching $2500 is the best money available to me right now.  I plan on maxing that every year. After that, it seems to me early mortgage retirement is my next best investment, since saving money is not taxable today or ever, but earning money and investing is taxable someday. Make sense? Kind of like diversifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livingalmost,<br />
I can agree with your statement. I get 50% employer match for me 403b contributions, up to 5% of my annual salary.  Not great, but $5000 + matching $2500 is the best money available to me right now.  I plan on maxing that every year. After that, it seems to me early mortgage retirement is my next best investment, since saving money is not taxable today or ever, but earning money and investing is taxable someday. Make sense? Kind of like diversifying.</p>
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		<title>By: Livingalmostlarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Livingalmostlarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott main thing about retirement and mortgage is if you aren&#039;t maxing out all retirement accounts before paying off the mortgage you are losing out on valuable time to compound money without paying taxes.  Or in the Roth IRA no taxes at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott main thing about retirement and mortgage is if you aren&#8217;t maxing out all retirement accounts before paying off the mortgage you are losing out on valuable time to compound money without paying taxes.  Or in the Roth IRA no taxes at all.</p>
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		<title>By: RealisticNumbers</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/06/18/ben-stein-invest-or-pay-off-mortgage/#comment-115965</link>
		<dc:creator>RealisticNumbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen this argued over and over.  This is the first time I&#039;ve ever commented, but it&#039;s exasperating to see the same comments presented.

By the numbers, paying off the mortgage early or investing is basically a wash.  It becomes an emotional decision.

It comes down to three factors:

1.  Estimated alternative return.  Long-term future return from the stock market is likely to be about 7% (not the 10% commonly quoted).  See this article: 

http://www.investorsfriend.com/return_versus_gdp.htm

for details.  This article is the best explanation around and justifies the 7% annual return number.  Don&#039;t just quote 10%!

At 7% the difference between, for example, $1500 invested monthly for 17 years vs. 500 invested monthly for 30 years is pretty much a wash.

2. Volatility.  The 7% stock market return is an average.  Look at stock market cycles.  If you had to cash out for retirement in 1999, for example, it would have been great.  If you had to cash out in 2001, it would have been terrible.  If you invest all the money in the stock market (no diversification, which would likely reduce the 7% return) then you better be comfortable with risk.

3. Taxes.  The mortgage deduction tax only lasts for the first few years of the mortgage payback, and is further impacted by the AMT.  There is a difference, but it&#039;s not a huge difference.

Realistic Numbers show this decision is about emotion.  The numbers are a wash.  If you less oriented toward risk, then you pay off the house and diversify the investments after that.  If you are more oriented toward risk, then you stay on the regular mortgage schedule, don&#039;t diversify, and hope you sell out at a high point in the market cycle.

Your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen this argued over and over.  This is the first time I&#8217;ve ever commented, but it&#8217;s exasperating to see the same comments presented.</p>
<p>By the numbers, paying off the mortgage early or investing is basically a wash.  It becomes an emotional decision.</p>
<p>It comes down to three factors:</p>
<p>1.  Estimated alternative return.  Long-term future return from the stock market is likely to be about 7% (not the 10% commonly quoted).  See this article: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.investorsfriend.com/return_versus_gdp.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.investorsfriend.com/return_versus_gdp.htm</a></p>
<p>for details.  This article is the best explanation around and justifies the 7% annual return number.  Don&#8217;t just quote 10%!</p>
<p>At 7% the difference between, for example, $1500 invested monthly for 17 years vs. 500 invested monthly for 30 years is pretty much a wash.</p>
<p>2. Volatility.  The 7% stock market return is an average.  Look at stock market cycles.  If you had to cash out for retirement in 1999, for example, it would have been great.  If you had to cash out in 2001, it would have been terrible.  If you invest all the money in the stock market (no diversification, which would likely reduce the 7% return) then you better be comfortable with risk.</p>
<p>3. Taxes.  The mortgage deduction tax only lasts for the first few years of the mortgage payback, and is further impacted by the AMT.  There is a difference, but it&#8217;s not a huge difference.</p>
<p>Realistic Numbers show this decision is about emotion.  The numbers are a wash.  If you less oriented toward risk, then you pay off the house and diversify the investments after that.  If you are more oriented toward risk, then you stay on the regular mortgage schedule, don&#8217;t diversify, and hope you sell out at a high point in the market cycle.</p>
<p>Your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: WBL</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re capable of earning more than 2% more than your mortgage then you should not pay it off.

If you don&#039;t know anything about investing, you&#039;re probably better off paying it down (after you&#039;ve built up a large emergency fund).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re capable of earning more than 2% more than your mortgage then you should not pay it off.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know anything about investing, you&#8217;re probably better off paying it down (after you&#8217;ve built up a large emergency fund).</p>
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		<title>By: MillionDollarJourney.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>MillionDollarJourney.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I lived in the states, because of the tax deductibility of the mortgage, I would definitely put the savings to work in the stock market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I lived in the states, because of the tax deductibility of the mortgage, I would definitely put the savings to work in the stock market.</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Dough (19 June 2007) : The Dough Roller</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Dough (19 June 2007) : The Dough Roller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ben Stein: Invest or Pay Off Mortgage @ Consumerism Commentary: This is always an interesting topic and one that seems to generate a fair amount of controversy. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems all agree that investing beats accelerating a mortgage.  However, I think most, (if not all) these comments presuppose that one has a lifetime to let the numbers play out. I have 10-15 years left before retirement, 29 years left on a 30 year 157,000 mortgage, and $30,000 in 403b. For me, accelerating the mortgage makes the house payment much more efficient (putting more back in my pocket) and has the potential of giving me a $200,000 house (appreciation) paid in full before retirement with a small retirement nest egg.  Cash the house out and,coupled with my matured 403b,  I have $250,000 for retirement.  I can&#039;t achieve that with 403b in the next 15 years.  Please show me where I am mistaken.  I appreciate the advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems all agree that investing beats accelerating a mortgage.  However, I think most, (if not all) these comments presuppose that one has a lifetime to let the numbers play out. I have 10-15 years left before retirement, 29 years left on a 30 year 157,000 mortgage, and $30,000 in 403b. For me, accelerating the mortgage makes the house payment much more efficient (putting more back in my pocket) and has the potential of giving me a $200,000 house (appreciation) paid in full before retirement with a small retirement nest egg.  Cash the house out and,coupled with my matured 403b,  I have $250,000 for retirement.  I can&#8217;t achieve that with 403b in the next 15 years.  Please show me where I am mistaken.  I appreciate the advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Thermopyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thermopyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was anyone arguing that this wasn&#039;t the case?  It&#039;s pretty simple math.

The only place where disagreement can arise is the psychological side of it. For most people 90% of personal finance is the psychological side.  I mean, really...most of this stuff is very basic math.

For most people being completely debt free is quite the invigorating thing that allows you freedom to do what you want, when you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was anyone arguing that this wasn&#8217;t the case?  It&#8217;s pretty simple math.</p>
<p>The only place where disagreement can arise is the psychological side of it. For most people 90% of personal finance is the psychological side.  I mean, really&#8230;most of this stuff is very basic math.</p>
<p>For most people being completely debt free is quite the invigorating thing that allows you freedom to do what you want, when you want.</p>
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