Comments on: 5 Good Reasons to Avoid Debit Cards http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/ A premiere personal finance blog, established 2003. Within, Flexo discusses his own experiences with money, and he and other authors comment on a wide range of personal finance topics. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:16:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: thomashttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-117568 thomas Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:22:51 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-117568 i don't ever use my debit card. i get along just fine with my amex and visa. i'm responsible enough (and check my balance enough) to not over spend my budget. i don’t ever use my debit card. i get along just fine with my amex and visa. i’m responsible enough (and check my balance enough) to not over spend my budget.

]]> By: Karahttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116895 Kara Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:03:07 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116895 Simple thing I work for one of the companies that does accept debit cards. ( personally I disagree with that decision) I can understand the consumer having issues on the deposit issue, but recently I rented a post hole digger to put up a new fence in my yard the daily rate was $80.00 and the deposit was $350.00 on my credit card (they do not accept debit cards) so I presented my card and was told that the deposit needed was $350.00 I did ask what was he cost of the machine and was told that the one I was renting was around $400.00 So next time you are asked for your debit card and the car rental company wants a 300 to 500 dollar deposit think of your self as lucky. We do not require you to leave a $10,000 to $20,000 deposit and the debit card only means you have a bank account that has some money in it. In my locations we typically have 10 rentals go bad per month (never paid) other then the deposit, or 2-3 cars we never get back. Those losses as you can understand get passed on to all customers as higher daily and weekly rates. Simple thing I work for one of the companies that does accept debit cards. ( personally I disagree with that decision) I can understand the consumer having issues on the deposit issue, but recently I rented a post hole digger to put up a new fence in my yard the daily rate was $80.00 and the deposit was $350.00 on my credit card (they do not accept debit cards) so I presented my card and was told that the deposit needed was $350.00 I did ask what was he cost of the machine and was told that the one I was renting was around $400.00
So next time you are asked for your debit card and the car rental company wants a 300 to 500 dollar deposit think of your self as lucky. We do not require you to leave a $10,000 to $20,000 deposit and the debit card only means you have a bank account that has some money in it.
In my locations we typically have 10 rentals go bad per month (never paid) other then the deposit, or 2-3 cars we never get back. Those losses as you can understand get passed on to all customers as higher daily and weekly rates.

]]> By: Flexohttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116892 Flexo Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:49:09 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116892 Don: The rental companies must have changed their rules at some point. Several years ago -- before I was using credit cards for their rewards -- those same companies would not accept my debit card (with Visa logo, operating on the Visa network) for placing the reservation, though the debit card could be used for payment on return of the car. Perhaps this is a decision left up to the individual franchise, not the corporation... Don: The rental companies must have changed their rules at some point. Several years ago — before I was using credit cards for their rewards — those same companies would not accept my debit card (with Visa logo, operating on the Visa network) for placing the reservation, though the debit card could be used for payment on return of the car. Perhaps this is a decision left up to the individual franchise, not the corporation…

]]> By: Donhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116891 Don Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:36:36 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116891 I don't know where MarketWatch is trying to rent cars but I have had no difficulty with the big agencies and have used my debit card at Avis, Dollar, and Budget. They DO encumber $250 or $500 until I return the car but I do not keep my checking account balance so low as to matter.Further, using my debit MC from USAA means I get a percentage rebate on that car rental. I don’t know where MarketWatch is trying to rent cars but I have had no difficulty with the big agencies and have used my debit card at Avis, Dollar, and Budget. They DO encumber $250 or $500 until I return the car but I do not keep my checking account balance so low as to matter.

Further, using my debit MC from USAA means I get a percentage rebate on that car rental.

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]]> By: » Again, Credit Cards vs. Debit Cards: Identity Protection on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Bloghttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116737 » Again, Credit Cards vs. Debit Cards: Identity Protection on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:48:23 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116737 [...] post the other day on 5 Good Reasons to Avoid Debit Cards stirred up some discussion on the lack of consumer protection offered by debit cards. The bottom [...] [...] post the other day on 5 Good Reasons to Avoid Debit Cards stirred up some discussion on the lack of consumer protection offered by debit cards. The bottom [...]

]]> By: Moneymonkhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116715 Moneymonk Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:08:25 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116715 I meant I have to disagree with all the reasons except for duty free shopping I meant I have to disagree with all the reasons except for duty free shopping

]]> By: Moneymonkhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116714 Moneymonk Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:07:12 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116714 I have to agree with all of those reasons except for the duty free shoppingI have rented cars, dispute transactions and had theft protection, not sure where marketwatch have their resources. Not true with me. I always use my debit card for Gas and never a double ties.Compare to the traps credit cards get you into. I will always use debit I have to agree with all of those reasons except for the duty free shopping

I have rented cars, dispute transactions and had theft protection, not sure where marketwatch have their resources. Not true with me. I always use my debit card for Gas and never a double ties.

Compare to the traps credit cards get you into. I will always use debit

]]> By: Flexohttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116708 Flexo Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:18:03 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116708 Steev: If a fraudster uses your debit card or debit card number, the funds for that transaction are automatically deducted from your linked bank account just as they would for a transaction you initiate. If someone finds my debit card number and drains me out, any bills that happened to be scheduled for automatic payment will fail or overdraw the account. You can dispute the charge, but the bank will not give you your money back until later... regardless of whether there's a Visa logo on your debit card or not. Unless you went to Visa to get your debit card, it was issued by the bank, and the Visa logo appears to show that will work on the Visa network as a credit-like transaction (with a signature required) as well as a debit-like transaction (with your PIN).Visa may offer additional protections, but not enough to fund your account immediately if you suspect your number was used by someone else. With a credit card, you're dealing with the issuer's money until you pay the bill.What you're thinking of -- those cards without the Visa or Mastercard logo that were issued by the bank and linked to your bank accounts -- are generally called "check cards" now to distinguish them from the dual-mode "debit cards." Those "check cards" required a PIN number for each transaction and did not operate over the Visa network. I haven't seen one of those in many years, either. Steev: If a fraudster uses your debit card or debit card number, the funds for that transaction are automatically deducted from your linked bank account just as they would for a transaction you initiate. If someone finds my debit card number and drains me out, any bills that happened to be scheduled for automatic payment will fail or overdraw the account. You can dispute the charge, but the bank will not give you your money back until later… regardless of whether there’s a Visa logo on your debit card or not. Unless you went to Visa to get your debit card, it was issued by the bank, and the Visa logo appears to show that will work on the Visa network as a credit-like transaction (with a signature required) as well as a debit-like transaction (with your PIN).

Visa may offer additional protections, but not enough to fund your account immediately if you suspect your number was used by someone else. With a credit card, you’re dealing with the issuer’s money until you pay the bill.

What you’re thinking of — those cards without the Visa or Mastercard logo that were issued by the bank and linked to your bank accounts — are generally called “check cards” now to distinguish them from the dual-mode “debit cards.” Those “check cards” required a PIN number for each transaction and did not operate over the Visa network. I haven’t seen one of those in many years, either.

]]> By: steevhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116704 steev Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:07:23 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116704 Maybe debit cards work differently where you guys are, but most of these rules don't apply anymore. My bank's debit card is a Visa. Let's go over those points again:1. Funds tie up: I'll admit, I use public transportation, so I don't know anything about this. I'll trust you on this one.2. Can't dispute debits: Yes, you can. It works just like disputing any other charge.3. Can't rent a car: At any place that lets you rent on a Visa, my card will work.4. Theft protection: Visa has a Zero Liability policy in the case of theft or fraud.5. Rewards options: My bank has a points system that is used with its cards that give me money back on purchases.Reason 6, as submitted by tinyhands: This is true. Debits can take between one to three days to post to my account. Not as much float time.Anyway, I think that most of this relates to the fact that my card is, well, a 'hybrid' card. I have no clue if that's the right term, but I can use it as either a debit card or a credit card. It will work both ways. Both simply take money out of my account.I don't know a bank around here that doesn't offer its 'debit card' as one of these hybrids. I haven't seen a pure debit card since I was 12. (I'm sure this dates me...ha) Maybe debit cards work differently where you guys are, but most of these rules don’t apply anymore. My bank’s debit card is a Visa. Let’s go over those points again:

1. Funds tie up: I’ll admit, I use public transportation, so I don’t know anything about this. I’ll trust you on this one.

2. Can’t dispute debits: Yes, you can. It works just like disputing any other charge.

3. Can’t rent a car: At any place that lets you rent on a Visa, my card will work.

4. Theft protection: Visa has a Zero Liability policy in the case of theft or fraud.

5. Rewards options: My bank has a points system that is used with its cards that give me money back on purchases.

Reason 6, as submitted by tinyhands: This is true. Debits can take between one to three days to post to my account. Not as much float time.

Anyway, I think that most of this relates to the fact that my card is, well, a ‘hybrid’ card. I have no clue if that’s the right term, but I can use it as either a debit card or a credit card. It will work both ways. Both simply take money out of my account.

I don’t know a bank around here that doesn’t offer its ‘debit card’ as one of these hybrids. I haven’t seen a pure debit card since I was 12. (I’m sure this dates me…ha)

]]> By: The Simple Dollar » The Simple Dollar Morning Roundup: June And July Personal Financial Review Editionhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116698 The Simple Dollar » The Simple Dollar Morning Roundup: June And July Personal Financial Review Edition Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:30:29 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116698 [...] 5 Good Reasons To Avoid Debit Cards The crux here seems to mostly be that they limit consumer protection, their rewards aren’t all that good, and they encourage bad habits. Good points, but like anything else, it mostly comes down to good money management and sensible consumer choices. (@ consumerism commentary) [...] [...] 5 Good Reasons To Avoid Debit Cards The crux here seems to mostly be that they limit consumer protection, their rewards aren’t all that good, and they encourage bad habits. Good points, but like anything else, it mostly comes down to good money management and sensible consumer choices. (@ consumerism commentary) [...]

]]> By: MikeVxhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116673 MikeVx Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:43:08 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116673 Debit cards are handy if you want to avoid the credit issue for most things. The big problem with debit cards is when you have a card that connects to an account that does something other than hold money for debit card spending. I have two debit cards, tied to special-purpose accounts. Other than the occasional small check for a magazine subscription or such, the accounts are card-only. Important bills should never be paid on an account with a debit card attached.I find that the clearance time is the same with debit cards and credit cards, but then I don't do PIN transactions. One of the purposes of PINs is to give the bank ammunition to summarily dismiss debit card fraud complaints. "Your PIN, your charge." I use them strictly in credit mode, then if there is ever a PIN-based transaction, it is fraud by definition: "This is the first PIN-based transaction other than deposits since I got the card."I keep a small amount in the accounts for recurring transactions and random stuff. For large transactions, I keep the money in savings and transfer it in a few days before the transaction. Hotel stays for example. Debit cards are handy if you want to avoid the credit issue for most things. The big problem with debit cards is when you have a card that connects to an account that does something other than hold money for debit card spending. I have two debit cards, tied to special-purpose accounts. Other than the occasional small check for a magazine subscription or such, the accounts are card-only. Important bills should never be paid on an account with a debit card attached.

I find that the clearance time is the same with debit cards and credit cards, but then I don’t do PIN transactions. One of the purposes of PINs is to give the bank ammunition to summarily dismiss debit card fraud complaints. “Your PIN, your charge.” I use them strictly in credit mode, then if there is ever a PIN-based transaction, it is fraud by definition: “This is the first PIN-based transaction other than deposits since I got the card.”

I keep a small amount in the accounts for recurring transactions and random stuff. For large transactions, I keep the money in savings and transfer it in a few days before the transaction. Hotel stays for example.

]]> By: Johnhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116671 John Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:18:39 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116671 (previous comment got cut off)> how is that different than keeping track of how much you spend on a credit cardIn my experience, it’s different because of the the longer delay in transactions posting to the account with credit cards) vs. instantaneous with my check card. Also I get a daily email alert showing the remaining balance on my debit card on my blackberry, so I can count on always knowing where I’m at on my weekly budget. If it dips below 100usd, I do an online transfer (I realize this may be inconvenient for some).For bigger purchases, I use my rewards Credit Card. I also use the rewards card for some recurring monthly bills. So I'm not totally against them. Just against using them for the many small transactions that add up by the end of the week. (previous comment got cut off)

> how is that different than keeping track of how much you spend on a credit card

In my experience, it’s different because of the the longer delay in transactions posting to the account with credit cards) vs. instantaneous with my check card. Also I get a daily email alert showing the remaining balance on my debit card on my blackberry, so I can count on always knowing where I’m at on my weekly budget. If it dips below 100usd, I do an online transfer (I realize this may be inconvenient for some).

For bigger purchases, I use my rewards Credit Card. I also use the rewards card for some recurring monthly bills. So I’m not totally against them. Just against using them for the many small transactions that add up by the end of the week.

]]> By: Johnhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116670 John Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:12:19 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116670 > how is that different than keeping track of how much you spend on a credit cardIn my experience, it's different because of the the longer delay in transactions posting to the account with credit cards) vs. instantaneous with my check card. Also I get a daily email alert showing the remaining balance on my debit card on my blackberry, so I can count on always knowing where I'm at on my weekly budget. If it dips below > how is that different than keeping track of how much you spend on a credit card

In my experience, it’s different because of the the longer delay in transactions posting to the account with credit cards) vs. instantaneous with my check card. Also I get a daily email alert showing the remaining balance on my debit card on my blackberry, so I can count on always knowing where I’m at on my weekly budget. If it dips below

]]> By: tinyhandshttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116665 tinyhands Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:32:05 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116665 Reason #6- Play the float. Debit transactions are processed the same day, while credit cards only have to be paid at the end of the month/billing cycle. You don't have to be living paycheck to paycheck to have a cash management strategy that involves holding onto your cash (and earning interest) as long as possible. Reason #6- Play the float.
Debit transactions are processed the same day, while credit cards only have to be paid at the end of the month/billing cycle. You don’t have to be living paycheck to paycheck to have a cash management strategy that involves holding onto your cash (and earning interest) as long as possible.

]]> By: Flexohttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116661 Flexo Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:28:54 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116661 John and others: So if you keep at most $500 in your checking account to maintain your spending on your debit card, how is that different than keeping track of how much you spend on a credit card and limiting that to $500? If you have insufficient funds on your debit card, most banks now charge an overdraft fee rather than rejecting the debit. With this overdraft fee, the theft protection scenario is back to unlimited.It's possible to control your spending to $500 per week, whether it's with a debit card or a credit card... With a credit card, if you run into an emergency and have to go beyond the arbitrary $500 limit, you're not penalized (as long as you are within your total credit limit). With a debit card, you'll be charged an overdraft fee or you'll be unable to make the purchase.I do also agree that there are elements of scare tactics in play, but only so much as general public relations and not quite a conspiracy. There are scare tactics on the other side as well, in the form of statistics saying those who use credit cards overspend... The numbers go so far, but it comes down to the individual.Steve: I understand about limiting the number of bills to pay. That's a great point and it can go far to simplifying your financial life. Bills can equate to stress which can lead to health (and therefore financial) strains. John and others: So if you keep at most $500 in your checking account to maintain your spending on your debit card, how is that different than keeping track of how much you spend on a credit card and limiting that to $500? If you have insufficient funds on your debit card, most banks now charge an overdraft fee rather than rejecting the debit. With this overdraft fee, the theft protection scenario is back to unlimited.

It’s possible to control your spending to $500 per week, whether it’s with a debit card or a credit card… With a credit card, if you run into an emergency and have to go beyond the arbitrary $500 limit, you’re not penalized (as long as you are within your total credit limit). With a debit card, you’ll be charged an overdraft fee or you’ll be unable to make the purchase.

I do also agree that there are elements of scare tactics in play, but only so much as general public relations and not quite a conspiracy. There are scare tactics on the other side as well, in the form of statistics saying those who use credit cards overspend… The numbers go so far, but it comes down to the individual.

Steve: I understand about limiting the number of bills to pay. That’s a great point and it can go far to simplifying your financial life. Bills can equate to stress which can lead to health (and therefore financial) strains.

]]> By: Johnhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116660 John Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:16:31 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116660 > Debit cards definitely keep me in check as far as my spending goesI agree with klerg. Although the 5 scare-scenarios *COULD* happen, it's much more likely that I myself will go over my budget with a credit card.Also, I feel that when I charge stuff to my BOA check card, it shows up on my statement instantaneously (just like the TV ad says) which helps me keep a day-to-day tabs on my budget.As for theft protection, I keep less than $500 in the check account at any time, which I refill weekly using a automatic recurring transfer (also instantaneous). This limits the "theft protection" scenario threat.Lastly, the conspiracy theorist in my thinks that the big credit card companies WANT us to think debit/check cards are bad so they can keep us hooked. No thanks! > Debit cards definitely keep me in check as far as my spending goes

I agree with klerg. Although the 5 scare-scenarios *COULD* happen, it’s much more likely that I myself will go over my budget with a credit card.

Also, I feel that when I charge stuff to my BOA check card, it shows up on my statement instantaneously (just like the TV ad says) which helps me keep a day-to-day tabs on my budget.

As for theft protection, I keep less than $500 in the check account at any time, which I refill weekly using a automatic recurring transfer (also instantaneous). This limits the “theft protection” scenario threat.

Lastly, the conspiracy theorist in my thinks that the big credit card companies WANT us to think debit/check cards are bad so they can keep us hooked. No thanks!

]]> By: deehttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116653 dee Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:24:16 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116653 Car rentals: You can use a debit card to rent a car at Dollar Rent A Car, however, a credit check is done prior to the rental. Car rentals: You can use a debit card to rent a car at Dollar Rent A Car, however, a credit check is done prior to the rental.

]]> By: klerghttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116652 klerg Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:37:41 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116652 Debit cards definitely keep me in check as far as my spending goes so for me personally, that's the biggest benefit. I never keep more than one month's expenses in my checking account ($1700-1800). It's got a small rewards program that gives me cash back, but on debit purchases only. And I go to great lengths to insure that my debit card is NOT attached to my 5% yielding savings account. Debit cards definitely keep me in check as far as my spending goes so for me personally, that’s the biggest benefit. I never keep more than one month’s expenses in my checking account ($1700-1800). It’s got a small rewards program that gives me cash back, but on debit purchases only. And I go to great lengths to insure that my debit card is NOT attached to my 5% yielding savings account.

]]> By: Stevehttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116651 Steve Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:22:41 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/07/02/5-good-reasons-to-avoid-debit-cards/#comment-116651 Renting a car with a debit is only a problem if you try to rent from your home airport. That can be an inconvenience if you need a car in the middle of the night. Other than that I've rented plenty with debits.The other protections sound important, but I really can't be bothered to pay another bill. I'd rather just deposit as needed. Renting a car with a debit is only a problem if you try to rent from your home airport. That can be an inconvenience if you need a car in the middle of the night. Other than that I’ve rented plenty with debits.

The other protections sound important, but I really can’t be bothered to pay another bill. I’d rather just deposit as needed.

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