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> <channel><title>Comments on: Gas Stations Charging Credit Users More Than Cash Users</title> <atom:link href="http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/</link> <description>A premiere personal finance blog, established 2003. Within, Flexo discusses his own experiences with money, and he and other authors comment on a wide range of personal finance topics.</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:34:43 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: jr</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-199481</link> <dc:creator>jr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:35:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-199481</guid> <description>It is RIDICULOUS that the new b.s the gas stations are doing is advertising prices that are CASH only without telling you, and then on an itty bitty flimsy paper sign in the dirt in miniscule print are the credit card prices.  Why and how are they allowed to charge different prices?  No other vendor does this unless it&#039;s American Express because they charge so much.  When will the government take over these piece of dog doo gas stations and regulate them.  They are monopolies and do whatever they want which mostly includes scamming the consumer because THEY CAN and no one stops them!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is RIDICULOUS that the new b.s the gas stations are doing is advertising prices that are CASH only without telling you, and then on an itty bitty flimsy paper sign in the dirt in miniscule print are the credit card prices.  Why and how are they allowed to charge different prices?  No other vendor does this unless it&#8217;s American Express because they charge so much.  When will the government take over these piece of dog doo gas stations and regulate them.  They are monopolies and do whatever they want which mostly includes scamming the consumer because THEY CAN and no one stops them!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JoeTitewad</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-190765</link> <dc:creator>JoeTitewad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:04:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-190765</guid> <description>I agree with everything in your post Apex. We need more people to understand they are not entitled to free credit card services. Personally I would prefer the merchant was allowed to profit off of a service he is middlemanning and it was clearly stated on the bill how much it cost for the service. How many cardholders would value the service if they had to pay for it up front and not be allowed to get it for free at the exspense of cash customers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything in your post Apex. We need more people to understand they are not entitled to free credit card services. Personally I would prefer the merchant was allowed to profit off of a service he is middlemanning and it was clearly stated on the bill how much it cost for the service. How many cardholders would value the service if they had to pay for it up front and not be allowed to get it for free at the exspense of cash customers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JoeTitewad</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-190756</link> <dc:creator>JoeTitewad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:48:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-190756</guid> <description>As should anyplace that accepts a form of payment other than CASH.Actually I would prefer they did not accept anything but cash or they charged extra for other methods of payment as they increase costs to the business that should NOT be paid by the cash customer!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As should anyplace that accepts a form of payment other than CASH.</p><p>Actually I would prefer they did not accept anything but cash or they charged extra for other methods of payment as they increase costs to the business that should NOT be paid by the cash customer!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Foobarista</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182487</link> <dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:07:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182487</guid> <description>Gas stations make money on food marts, car washes, etc.  Also, many oil company franchise contracts specify how much, in cents (and not percentages), the station owner can charge over the &quot;wholesale&quot; price they pay.  These markups don&#039;t change as the price rises, while the merchant fees - typically quoted as percentages - do rise as prices go up.  So, the gas station owner gets increasingly hozed by these fees as prices go up.ARCO stations in my area don&#039;t accept credit cards, and charge $0.45 to use debit cards.Gas station owners generally hate high gas prices.  After all, if you just dropped $75 to tank up, you probably aren&#039;t in a mood to pick up a hot dog and a six pack in the mini-mart - where the real money is made.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gas stations make money on food marts, car washes, etc.  Also, many oil company franchise contracts specify how much, in cents (and not percentages), the station owner can charge over the &#8220;wholesale&#8221; price they pay.  These markups don&#8217;t change as the price rises, while the merchant fees &#8211; typically quoted as percentages &#8211; do rise as prices go up.  So, the gas station owner gets increasingly hozed by these fees as prices go up.</p><p>ARCO stations in my area don&#8217;t accept credit cards, and charge $0.45 to use debit cards.</p><p>Gas station owners generally hate high gas prices.  After all, if you just dropped $75 to tank up, you probably aren&#8217;t in a mood to pick up a hot dog and a six pack in the mini-mart &#8211; where the real money is made.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: matty dread</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182461</link> <dc:creator>matty dread</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:43:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182461</guid> <description>if I am doing my math correctly, Clark is LOSING at least $1500 based on his numbers above and he says &quot;And I’m not even done with all of the costs…&quot;So my question is: How long are you going to run a business that loses at least $1500 a month? I&#039;d like to see all the books to understand the situation entirely, but losing money every month is not good business. I&#039;d be getting out or cease operating I would think....pending the sale of the assets or the business...Is the business being run as a tax writeoff or is the land appreciating fast enough to offset the loss? Just wondering.....I see stuff on the internet like this all the time....people saying &quot;i only bring in $5000 but my costs are $10000&quot; and just wonder why they are in that business or continue to be.....unless that is not the actual case.....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if I am doing my math correctly, Clark is LOSING at least $1500 based on his numbers above and he says &#8220;And I’m not even done with all of the costs…&#8221;</p><p>So my question is: How long are you going to run a business that loses at least $1500 a month? I&#8217;d like to see all the books to understand the situation entirely, but losing money every month is not good business. I&#8217;d be getting out or cease operating I would think&#8230;.pending the sale of the assets or the business&#8230;</p><p>Is the business being run as a tax writeoff or is the land appreciating fast enough to offset the loss? Just wondering&#8230;..</p><p>I see stuff on the internet like this all the time&#8230;.people saying &#8220;i only bring in $5000 but my costs are $10000&#8243; and just wonder why they are in that business or continue to be&#8230;..unless that is not the actual case&#8230;..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Flexo</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182256</link> <dc:creator>Flexo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:33:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182256</guid> <description>Gas stations are free to do what they want as long as it&#039;s not illegal.  Just about every other business I&#039;ve encountered is able to to charge all customers the same regardless of payment method, and a few gas stations -- not all -- seem to be the only businesses willing to tack on a surcharge for credit card payments.  I feel sorry for the owners who have a tough situation to deal with, but not sorry enough to pay more using my preferred method. Nowhere did I claim I had a &quot;right&quot; to use credit... it&#039;s an option that I will take advantage of when offered.You might want to check the definition of &quot;discrimination.&quot; Charging two different prices to separate groups of customers is indeed discrimination. It&#039;s not as serious as racial or sexual discrimination, but it is an accurate term.I won&#039;t address your personal comments except to say that it won&#039;t be tolerated any further.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gas stations are free to do what they want as long as it&#8217;s not illegal.  Just about every other business I&#8217;ve encountered is able to to charge all customers the same regardless of payment method, and a few gas stations &#8212; not all &#8212; seem to be the only businesses willing to tack on a surcharge for credit card payments.  I feel sorry for the owners who have a tough situation to deal with, but not sorry enough to pay more using my preferred method. Nowhere did I claim I had a &#8220;right&#8221; to use credit&#8230; it&#8217;s an option that I will take advantage of when offered.</p><p>You might want to check the definition of &#8220;discrimination.&#8221; Charging two different prices to separate groups of customers is indeed discrimination. It&#8217;s not as serious as racial or sexual discrimination, but it is an accurate term.</p><p>I won&#8217;t address your personal comments except to say that it won&#8217;t be tolerated any further.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Apex</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182251</link> <dc:creator>Apex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:21:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182251</guid> <description>&quot;why do gas stations discriminate against payment method?&quot;Do you presuppose by this statement that all payment methods are equal?  Does the gas station take livestock in trade for their gas?  Do they take out of state or second hand checks?  Do they even take checks (some don&#039;t)  Do they take Euros?There is a cost to the method by which a business is paid.  The advantage to credit cards is you are guaranteed to get your money.  The disadvantage is it costs you 2% of your gross sales to get this advantage.  However cash has the exact same advantage without the disadvantage.  Its not difficult to see why cash is preferable.  Now if you are operating a furniture store operation on 100% margin, the 2% is irrelevant.  If you are operating a gas station which regularly sells its gas on less than 10 cents margin well, then 2% on $4 dollar gas is 80% of your profit margin before costs.Why do gas stations still have to operate on 10 cent margins?  I don&#039;t know, but it seems many still are.  Maybe that will change.  But in the meantime, to suggest you have some kind of right to purchase products using a credit card and to compare it to some kind of payment discrimination, really sounds quite ignorant for a finance blogger.  The only currency that any mercant is required to accept in the USA is cold hard cash.  Checks can be denied, and yes, so can credit cards.If you want to be upset about it then by all means, take your business elsewhere.  But to come here and whine about it on your blog like a child .... I&#039;m sorry, thats just really lame.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why do gas stations discriminate against payment method?&#8221;</p><p>Do you presuppose by this statement that all payment methods are equal?  Does the gas station take livestock in trade for their gas?  Do they take out of state or second hand checks?  Do they even take checks (some don&#8217;t)  Do they take Euros?</p><p>There is a cost to the method by which a business is paid.  The advantage to credit cards is you are guaranteed to get your money.  The disadvantage is it costs you 2% of your gross sales to get this advantage.  However cash has the exact same advantage without the disadvantage.  Its not difficult to see why cash is preferable.  Now if you are operating a furniture store operation on 100% margin, the 2% is irrelevant.  If you are operating a gas station which regularly sells its gas on less than 10 cents margin well, then 2% on $4 dollar gas is 80% of your profit margin before costs.</p><p>Why do gas stations still have to operate on 10 cent margins?  I don&#8217;t know, but it seems many still are.  Maybe that will change.  But in the meantime, to suggest you have some kind of right to purchase products using a credit card and to compare it to some kind of payment discrimination, really sounds quite ignorant for a finance blogger.  The only currency that any mercant is required to accept in the USA is cold hard cash.  Checks can be denied, and yes, so can credit cards.</p><p>If you want to be upset about it then by all means, take your business elsewhere.  But to come here and whine about it on your blog like a child &#8230;. I&#8217;m sorry, thats just really lame.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182188</link> <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182188</guid> <description>Check out http://www.unfaircreditcardfees.com/.  It is the interchange rates that most of the gas stations as well as other merchants are concerned about.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a
href="http://www.unfaircreditcardfees.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.unfaircreditcardfees.com/</a>.  It is the interchange rates that most of the gas stations as well as other merchants are concerned about.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Flexo</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182182</link> <dc:creator>Flexo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:32:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182182</guid> <description>Mike: In my experience, the credit surcharge applies only to gasoline sold.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: In my experience, the credit surcharge applies only to gasoline sold.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182179</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:18:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182179</guid> <description>Do these gas stations that have cash discounts for gas also offer a cash discount for the goods they sell in their store?  I feel like they should be uniform in offering a cash discount on all products which they sell.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do these gas stations that have cash discounts for gas also offer a cash discount for the goods they sell in their store?  I feel like they should be uniform in offering a cash discount on all products which they sell.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182176</link> <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:22:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182176</guid> <description>This is nothing new.  It was common practice as recently as 15 or 20 years ago for stations to have billboards that listed cash and credit prices for all grades of gas.The station I worked at just out of college was one of the first to match their prices up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing new.  It was common practice as recently as 15 or 20 years ago for stations to have billboards that listed cash and credit prices for all grades of gas.</p><p>The station I worked at just out of college was one of the first to match their prices up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182175</link> <dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:16:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182175</guid> <description>While it doesn&#039;t make much sense to me for gas stations to be running at or below break-even, I don&#039;t disagree with charging different prices for cash vs. credit. Credit costs them more and it doesn&#039;t seem unfair for them to pass that cost on and/or try to encourage customers to use cheaper payment methods. Other merchants deal with credit cards perhaps because card users spend more. (e.g. if you had to use cash at the grocery store you might not buy as many impulse items.) Perhaps at gas stations cards might attract more buyers, depending on surrounding stations, but people are still going to buy the same amount of gas.Despite the fact that I use a rewards credit card for most of my spending, I actually think credit card use is bad for all of us. It adds 1 to 3% overhead to everything we buy, without actually adding much to the transaction more often than not. I often get my gas at Arco which doesn&#039;t take credit cards at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me for gas stations to be running at or below break-even, I don&#8217;t disagree with charging different prices for cash vs. credit. Credit costs them more and it doesn&#8217;t seem unfair for them to pass that cost on and/or try to encourage customers to use cheaper payment methods. Other merchants deal with credit cards perhaps because card users spend more. (e.g. if you had to use cash at the grocery store you might not buy as many impulse items.) Perhaps at gas stations cards might attract more buyers, depending on surrounding stations, but people are still going to buy the same amount of gas.</p><p>Despite the fact that I use a rewards credit card for most of my spending, I actually think credit card use is bad for all of us. It adds 1 to 3% overhead to everything we buy, without actually adding much to the transaction more often than not. I often get my gas at Arco which doesn&#8217;t take credit cards at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/09/22/gas-stations-charging-credit-users-more-than-cash-users/#comment-182172</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:16:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=3976#comment-182172</guid> <description>The gas station I frequented the most tried to do this about 2 months ago.  They raised the prices for credit cards about 4 cents over cash transactions.  After a few weeks, they went back to charging everyone the same.  I assume they saw a decline in business as more customers went to the station down the street which all of a sudden had a distinct price advantage (they kept their prices for everyone at the price the other station declared for cash only).I guess this is one example where voting with your wallet worked.  But, it only worked because all the stations didn&#039;t follow suit and discriminate based on method of payment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gas station I frequented the most tried to do this about 2 months ago.  They raised the prices for credit cards about 4 cents over cash transactions.  After a few weeks, they went back to charging everyone the same.  I assume they saw a decline in business as more customers went to the station down the street which all of a sudden had a distinct price advantage (they kept their prices for everyone at the price the other station declared for cash only).</p><p>I guess this is one example where voting with your wallet worked.  But, it only worked because all the stations didn&#8217;t follow suit and discriminate based on method of payment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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