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	<title>Comments on: Overdrawn!: A Documentary About Bank Fees, Screening Tonight</title>
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		<title>By: holly</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/10/27/overdrawn-a-documentary-about-bank-fees-screening-tonight/#comment-194347</link>
		<dc:creator>holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s 100% not true. Fifth third bank will always apply debits before credits even if you deposited cash at 10:00 am.  They are an evil corporation that needs to be regulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s 100% not true. Fifth third bank will always apply debits before credits even if you deposited cash at 10:00 am.  They are an evil corporation that needs to be regulated.</p>
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		<title>By: vh</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/10/27/overdrawn-a-documentary-about-bank-fees-screening-tonight/#comment-184976</link>
		<dc:creator>vh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had a negative experience with my credit union&#039;s overdraft fees. It&#039;s a loan, but the interest rate is within reason. 

Because My Beloved Employer, in a huge and clumsily managed outsourcing of its payroll processing to PeopleSoft, botched paychecks and in many cases simply failed to pay some people, I arranged overdraft protection in the amount of one month&#039;s pay. It was a relief to know that my automatic bill payments would not bounce of my paycheck didn&#039;t show up--a distinct possibility, given the dozen pay periods it took PeopleSoft to get my check right.

After all that dust settled down, one weekend I made an online transfer of about $500 in error. I quickly switched it back, but the overdraft protection kicked in. On Monday I visited the credit union, where a rep said she thought nothing would happen but I should keep an eye on it. Duh! In my senility, I instantly forgot it. A full month later when I went to reconcile my accounts, lo! there was the loan, still fattening my checking account and ticking away interest. The cost was about twelve or fifteen bucks, not enough to bankrupt me, and well worth the expense had my account run dry and the gas, electric, water, mortgage, and insurance payments been at risk of bouncing! If I&#039;d stayed awake and alerted the bank rep more promptly, the cost would have been almost nil.

Maybe this is just another reason to do your banking at a credit union. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t had a negative experience with my credit union&#8217;s overdraft fees. It&#8217;s a loan, but the interest rate is within reason. </p>
<p>Because My Beloved Employer, in a huge and clumsily managed outsourcing of its payroll processing to PeopleSoft, botched paychecks and in many cases simply failed to pay some people, I arranged overdraft protection in the amount of one month&#8217;s pay. It was a relief to know that my automatic bill payments would not bounce of my paycheck didn&#8217;t show up&#8211;a distinct possibility, given the dozen pay periods it took PeopleSoft to get my check right.</p>
<p>After all that dust settled down, one weekend I made an online transfer of about $500 in error. I quickly switched it back, but the overdraft protection kicked in. On Monday I visited the credit union, where a rep said she thought nothing would happen but I should keep an eye on it. Duh! In my senility, I instantly forgot it. A full month later when I went to reconcile my accounts, lo! there was the loan, still fattening my checking account and ticking away interest. The cost was about twelve or fifteen bucks, not enough to bankrupt me, and well worth the expense had my account run dry and the gas, electric, water, mortgage, and insurance payments been at risk of bouncing! If I&#8217;d stayed awake and alerted the bank rep more promptly, the cost would have been almost nil.</p>
<p>Maybe this is just another reason to do your banking at a credit union. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Flexo</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/10/27/overdrawn-a-documentary-about-bank-fees-screening-tonight/#comment-184971</link>
		<dc:creator>Flexo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: I called Wachovia, and guess what -- you&#039;re right. :-) At least according to the customer service representative.  Perhaps the policy changed since my experience or I&#039;m not remembering my situation correctly.  

In the documentary, Karney mentions that is is common for banks to post the day&#039;s withdrawals first, from largest to smallest amount, then post the day&#039;s deposits, in order to make sure your bills get paid (or whatever you happen to be withdrawing money for) and to open up the possibility for earning overdraft fee on top of overdraft fee within the same day.  

In addition to calling Wachovia, I called Wells Fargo, Citibank, Commerce Bank, and Chase to clarify their policies.  The results are interesting, and I&#039;ll post them tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: I called Wachovia, and guess what &#8212; you&#8217;re right. :-) At least according to the customer service representative.  Perhaps the policy changed since my experience or I&#8217;m not remembering my situation correctly.  </p>
<p>In the documentary, Karney mentions that is is common for banks to post the day&#8217;s withdrawals first, from largest to smallest amount, then post the day&#8217;s deposits, in order to make sure your bills get paid (or whatever you happen to be withdrawing money for) and to open up the possibility for earning overdraft fee on top of overdraft fee within the same day.  </p>
<p>In addition to calling Wachovia, I called Wells Fargo, Citibank, Commerce Bank, and Chase to clarify their policies.  The results are interesting, and I&#8217;ll post them tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s absolutely true.  I promise you.

Here&#039;s a situation...
- You have $10 in your account this morning (with nothing else pending or on hold)
- You go make a $50 purchase at noon
- At 1pm you make a $50 deposit into your account

You will NOT have an overdraft.  As long as it&#039;s the same business day, credits will post before debits. Feel free to call 1-800-Wachovia and ask them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s absolutely true.  I promise you.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a situation&#8230;<br />
- You have $10 in your account this morning (with nothing else pending or on hold)<br />
- You go make a $50 purchase at noon<br />
- At 1pm you make a $50 deposit into your account</p>
<p>You will NOT have an overdraft.  As long as it&#8217;s the same business day, credits will post before debits. Feel free to call 1-800-Wachovia and ask them.</p>
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		<title>By: Flexo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flexo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: Wachovia is one bank that I have personal experience with (though it may have been First Union at the time), and in my situation, debits were applied first, causing an overdraft fee when it wouldn&#039;t have been necessary had the funding credit (cash deposited previous day past 3:00 pm) been applied first.  Perhaps the policy has changed since then, but many banks still freely admit that they post debits before credits, starting with the largest debit.  Perhaps the policy differs by branch.

Searching online for some corroboration, many customers agree that Wachovia, like almost all other banks, posts debits before credits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: Wachovia is one bank that I have personal experience with (though it may have been First Union at the time), and in my situation, debits were applied first, causing an overdraft fee when it wouldn&#8217;t have been necessary had the funding credit (cash deposited previous day past 3:00 pm) been applied first.  Perhaps the policy has changed since then, but many banks still freely admit that they post debits before credits, starting with the largest debit.  Perhaps the policy differs by branch.</p>
<p>Searching online for some corroboration, many customers agree that Wachovia, like almost all other banks, posts debits before credits.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the bank will apply your debits before your credits, increasing the chance of an overdraft.&quot;

This is not true.  Banks might be different, but my understanding is that all banks apply credits first.  I work for Wachovia, and I&#039;m 100% sure that is the case with us.  The key to remember is that the banking day ends at 3pm, so after that it&#039;s the next business day.  Sure, we stay open after 3, but that&#039;s for your convenience...it doesn&#039;t mean that transactions are processed differently then they were back when all banks closed by 3!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the bank will apply your debits before your credits, increasing the chance of an overdraft.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not true.  Banks might be different, but my understanding is that all banks apply credits first.  I work for Wachovia, and I&#8217;m 100% sure that is the case with us.  The key to remember is that the banking day ends at 3pm, so after that it&#8217;s the next business day.  Sure, we stay open after 3, but that&#8217;s for your convenience&#8230;it doesn&#8217;t mean that transactions are processed differently then they were back when all banks closed by 3!</p>
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		<title>By: EN</title>
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		<dc:creator>EN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could he have gone to USC and not UCLA. I&#039;m appalled. :-P

Thanks for mentioning this....I really despise those bank fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could he have gone to USC and not UCLA. I&#8217;m appalled. :-P</p>
<p>Thanks for mentioning this&#8230;.I really despise those bank fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this! I know from experience the pain of overdraft. In one instance, the bank, for some reason, was a day late in &quot;making&quot; all of its deposits. Imagine my surprise when overdraft fees started piling up because of this error. Even though the bank reversed all the fees, it gave me great insight in how quickly $39 per overdraft can add up. In a matter of 36 hours, it amounted to more than $400.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this! I know from experience the pain of overdraft. In one instance, the bank, for some reason, was a day late in &#8220;making&#8221; all of its deposits. Imagine my surprise when overdraft fees started piling up because of this error. Even though the bank reversed all the fees, it gave me great insight in how quickly $39 per overdraft can add up. In a matter of 36 hours, it amounted to more than $400.</p>
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