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	<title>Comments on: Predatory Bank Fees Could Lead to the End of Banks</title>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/11/26/predatory-bank-fees-could-lead-to-the-end-of-banks/#comment-186370</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comments about people being responsible for their own actions. Nobody forces you to open a bank account, take out a loan or unsecured credit, etc. If you do that, you do it willingly and you need to accept the responsibilities that come along with it -- as well as the consequences of not fulfilling your end of the deal.

As far as inciting rage, however -- that&#039;s just stupid. Rage doesn&#039;t solve anything. I&#039;ve worked in a call center (though, thankfully, not on the phones), and I&#039;ve seen CSRs reduced to tears because of the horrendous personal attacks that some customers have made. This sort of action is ridiculous and counterproductive, and it will do nothing to resolve any issues.

Righteous anger, on the other hand, is fine, so long as it is calm and constructive. If you have to yell at someone, call the bank&#039;s executives and yell at them, since at least they have some decision-making ability. Switch banks -- or stop using banks altogether. It is possible, though certainly less convenient (but then, if you&#039;re not willing to pay for the convenience, why should someone have to give it to you gratis?) And if you think it will help, by all means, write your congresscritter, though I have to say that I fear most of them probably are owned by the banks anyway, given the recent bailout.

But don&#039;t be a putz and yell at people who have nothing to do with the situation. Be nice to CSRs. You might even find that some of them are willing to work with you and reverse a fee or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comments about people being responsible for their own actions. Nobody forces you to open a bank account, take out a loan or unsecured credit, etc. If you do that, you do it willingly and you need to accept the responsibilities that come along with it &#8212; as well as the consequences of not fulfilling your end of the deal.</p>
<p>As far as inciting rage, however &#8212; that&#8217;s just stupid. Rage doesn&#8217;t solve anything. I&#8217;ve worked in a call center (though, thankfully, not on the phones), and I&#8217;ve seen CSRs reduced to tears because of the horrendous personal attacks that some customers have made. This sort of action is ridiculous and counterproductive, and it will do nothing to resolve any issues.</p>
<p>Righteous anger, on the other hand, is fine, so long as it is calm and constructive. If you have to yell at someone, call the bank&#8217;s executives and yell at them, since at least they have some decision-making ability. Switch banks &#8212; or stop using banks altogether. It is possible, though certainly less convenient (but then, if you&#8217;re not willing to pay for the convenience, why should someone have to give it to you gratis?) And if you think it will help, by all means, write your congresscritter, though I have to say that I fear most of them probably are owned by the banks anyway, given the recent bailout.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t be a putz and yell at people who have nothing to do with the situation. Be nice to CSRs. You might even find that some of them are willing to work with you and reverse a fee or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy DaGeek</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/11/26/predatory-bank-fees-could-lead-to-the-end-of-banks/#comment-186362</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy DaGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kitty

It seems you expect people to be responsible for their actions - how compassionate of you! ;)

Haven&#039;t you noticed that people prefer to use political solutions to overcome their financial stupidity? Why should people stop using cable if they don&#039;t like the price? Just call their local pol and make those thieving cable companies reduce their price! Don&#039;t like the mileage on the monster car you drive? Forget about buying a smaller, efficient car - just call your Congressman and make those greedy car companies increase the mileage. Don&#039;t like the price of gasoline? Tax those robber baron oil companies that pay world oil prices to create that gasoline. The list goes on.

Instead of exercising their capitalist vote by directing their dollars, people exercise their socialist vote by directing their politicians.

I have paid credit card fees &amp; interest through my own neglect and stupidity. Do I think these fees are outrageous? Certainly! But I have only myself to blame. For the last 40 or 50 years, people have been told they shouldn&#039;t suffer for their own stupidity, and more and more people are buying into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kitty</p>
<p>It seems you expect people to be responsible for their actions &#8211; how compassionate of you! ;)</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t you noticed that people prefer to use political solutions to overcome their financial stupidity? Why should people stop using cable if they don&#8217;t like the price? Just call their local pol and make those thieving cable companies reduce their price! Don&#8217;t like the mileage on the monster car you drive? Forget about buying a smaller, efficient car &#8211; just call your Congressman and make those greedy car companies increase the mileage. Don&#8217;t like the price of gasoline? Tax those robber baron oil companies that pay world oil prices to create that gasoline. The list goes on.</p>
<p>Instead of exercising their capitalist vote by directing their dollars, people exercise their socialist vote by directing their politicians.</p>
<p>I have paid credit card fees &amp; interest through my own neglect and stupidity. Do I think these fees are outrageous? Certainly! But I have only myself to blame. For the last 40 or 50 years, people have been told they shouldn&#8217;t suffer for their own stupidity, and more and more people are buying into it.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave - this is my question too. Banks are businesses whose product is loans.  As any business, banks want to make money and to try to sell their product. Yes they want to get you to buy more of their product. So? A lot of stores try to get to buy their product; sometimes their advertising tries to convince you you need it when you don&#039;t. Just as with any business advertising it is up to the consumer to decide if they want to buy it or not. 

 Lending business carries a risk. The higher the risk, the higher the returns a lender expect. Fees is another way to make money and to mitigate the risk. Don&#039;t like fee schedule in a particular bank switch to another one. Incidentally, the late fee on a bank payment is much lower than a late fee on, for example, property taxes. Why should banks be more lenient than local government? It&#039;s easier for local governments to collect. Don&#039;t want to pay fees - pay on time, know your limit, call if you think there is a mistake. Unlike government, banks often forgive one late payment if you call. They may forgive going over the limit &quot;just this once&quot; if you&#039;ve been a good customer and if you call. If they don&#039;t - switch to another bank.

Don&#039;t want to pay interest - don&#039;t carry balances. Credit cards aren&#039;t magically enchanted to make you buy stuff. If you overspend with cards because of some emotional problems or stupidity or because somehow you cannot believe you are spending real money, then maybe credit cards aren&#039;t for you. Don&#039;t use them if you can&#039;t resist taking them out of your wallet when you shouldn&#039;t.

If you have a real emergency - by real emergency I mean medical or legal - and you are forced to carry a balance try to get a 0% offer. If your bank raised your rates, switch to another card, preferable the one that offers 0%. If your credit is good, you can always find one. When my friend had to pay for cancer drug for her mother that cost over $1000 a month that was more than she could afford, she shuffled 0% cards until she could repay it. Her mother died eventually, but this drug gave her 2 years of good quality life (it was one of those new targeted treatments). Credit cards helped.  If your credit is not good enough for 0% offers than you are a higher risk customer. High risk= high reward.

Yes, some of the practices are questionable. But hey, you can make them pay for it. There is an easy way to make them pay you - pay your balances in full every month and on time and don&#039;t overspend your limit. With auto-pay or online pay it&#039;s easy.

Isn&#039;t it interesting that a poor refugee from the Soviet Union like me figured out how to use credit cards without ever paying a penny in interest and did it successfully for 25 years. Even my parents who were 40-something at the time they got their first card and couldn&#039;t even speak English well also managed to use cards without paying interest or fees. Yet all these smart and financially-savvy (compared to stupid &quot;commies&quot;) Brits and Americans cannot figure it out. Why it it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8211; this is my question too. Banks are businesses whose product is loans.  As any business, banks want to make money and to try to sell their product. Yes they want to get you to buy more of their product. So? A lot of stores try to get to buy their product; sometimes their advertising tries to convince you you need it when you don&#8217;t. Just as with any business advertising it is up to the consumer to decide if they want to buy it or not. </p>
<p> Lending business carries a risk. The higher the risk, the higher the returns a lender expect. Fees is another way to make money and to mitigate the risk. Don&#8217;t like fee schedule in a particular bank switch to another one. Incidentally, the late fee on a bank payment is much lower than a late fee on, for example, property taxes. Why should banks be more lenient than local government? It&#8217;s easier for local governments to collect. Don&#8217;t want to pay fees &#8211; pay on time, know your limit, call if you think there is a mistake. Unlike government, banks often forgive one late payment if you call. They may forgive going over the limit &#8220;just this once&#8221; if you&#8217;ve been a good customer and if you call. If they don&#8217;t &#8211; switch to another bank.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t want to pay interest &#8211; don&#8217;t carry balances. Credit cards aren&#8217;t magically enchanted to make you buy stuff. If you overspend with cards because of some emotional problems or stupidity or because somehow you cannot believe you are spending real money, then maybe credit cards aren&#8217;t for you. Don&#8217;t use them if you can&#8217;t resist taking them out of your wallet when you shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If you have a real emergency &#8211; by real emergency I mean medical or legal &#8211; and you are forced to carry a balance try to get a 0% offer. If your bank raised your rates, switch to another card, preferable the one that offers 0%. If your credit is good, you can always find one. When my friend had to pay for cancer drug for her mother that cost over $1000 a month that was more than she could afford, she shuffled 0% cards until she could repay it. Her mother died eventually, but this drug gave her 2 years of good quality life (it was one of those new targeted treatments). Credit cards helped.  If your credit is not good enough for 0% offers than you are a higher risk customer. High risk= high reward.</p>
<p>Yes, some of the practices are questionable. But hey, you can make them pay for it. There is an easy way to make them pay you &#8211; pay your balances in full every month and on time and don&#8217;t overspend your limit. With auto-pay or online pay it&#8217;s easy.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it interesting that a poor refugee from the Soviet Union like me figured out how to use credit cards without ever paying a penny in interest and did it successfully for 25 years. Even my parents who were 40-something at the time they got their first card and couldn&#8217;t even speak English well also managed to use cards without paying interest or fees. Yet all these smart and financially-savvy (compared to stupid &#8220;commies&#8221;) Brits and Americans cannot figure it out. Why it it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to dismiss the banks&#039; greed and unscrupulousness here, but is it THAT difficult for people to use cash or credit cards or simply switch to a better bank? This seems like a problem better served by education than legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to dismiss the banks&#8217; greed and unscrupulousness here, but is it THAT difficult for people to use cash or credit cards or simply switch to a better bank? This seems like a problem better served by education than legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chilton</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2008/11/26/predatory-bank-fees-could-lead-to-the-end-of-banks/#comment-186350</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Chilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like an interesting film. I saw a documentary in the UK about how credit cards and storecards just try to get you into as much debt as possible. It didn&#039;t make me feel good about how many of these financial institutions go about some of their activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like an interesting film. I saw a documentary in the UK about how credit cards and storecards just try to get you into as much debt as possible. It didn&#8217;t make me feel good about how many of these financial institutions go about some of their activities.</p>
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