Comments on: The Best American Cars of 2009 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2009/03/09/the-best-american-cars-of-2009/ A premiere personal finance blog, established 2003. Within, Flexo discusses his own experiences with money, and he and other authors comment on a wide range of personal finance topics. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:34:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Kenhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2009/03/09/the-best-american-cars-of-2009/#comment-198006 Ken Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:58:26 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=5539#comment-198006 Although US auto makers may import parts from other regions, they're still assembled in America. I don't understand why you're saying that if you buy "American" you're really not supporting the American auto makers. American auto makers have domestic assembling plants. Although foreign auto makers may have assembling plants in the US, the profit is not going to an American auto companies, it's going to the foreign car companies. So, I disagree with you're over all issue of buying American vs. foreign and who gets the profit from buying the new car. While, if you buy a foreign brand car, of course a portion of the profit rests in American hands, but not like the profit made in the purchase of an American car.American auto makers are finally raising the bar and are putting great products out on the market. Look into American made cars, I'm sure not complaining. Although US auto makers may import parts from other regions, they’re still assembled in America. I don’t understand why you’re saying that if you buy “American” you’re really not supporting the American auto makers. American auto makers have domestic assembling plants. Although foreign auto makers may have assembling plants in the US, the profit is not going to an American auto companies, it’s going to the foreign car companies. So, I disagree with you’re over all issue of buying American vs. foreign and who gets the profit from buying the new car. While, if you buy a foreign brand car, of course a portion of the profit rests in American hands, but not like the profit made in the purchase of an American car.

American auto makers are finally raising the bar and are putting great products out on the market. Look into American made cars, I’m sure not complaining.

]]> By: UH2Lhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2009/03/09/the-best-american-cars-of-2009/#comment-190033 UH2L Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:18:47 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=5539#comment-190033 "Just in time is not good just in case". If there's a plant fire or disturbance to transport of parts, vehicle assembly lines can be forced to shut down. Otherwise it works well, makes plants more efficient, less inventory expense and all that good stuff.I just noticed in my prior comment that my reference to the BMW and Saturn L may have made it seem like I was calling those twins, which they're definitely not. Examples of twins would be the Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe. “Just in time is not good just in case”. If there’s a plant fire or disturbance to transport of parts, vehicle assembly lines can be forced to shut down. Otherwise it works well, makes plants more efficient, less inventory expense and all that good stuff.

I just noticed in my prior comment that my reference to the BMW and Saturn L may have made it seem like I was calling those twins, which they’re definitely not. Examples of twins would be the Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe.

]]> By: mapgirlhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2009/03/09/the-best-american-cars-of-2009/#comment-190032 mapgirl Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:13:31 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=5539#comment-190032 BTW, if you want more insight into modern auto manufacturing practices, read up on Toyota Production System (TPS). It will teach you about Just In Time and kaizen (constant improvement) practices. Also read up on critiques of TPS and how it pressures second and third-tier suppliers/manufacturing. You'll notice Wal-Mart has similar practices.Remember, somewhere, someone is suffering because you wanted to buy something cheaply. BTW, if you want more insight into modern auto manufacturing practices, read up on Toyota Production System (TPS). It will teach you about Just In Time and kaizen (constant improvement) practices. Also read up on critiques of TPS and how it pressures second and third-tier suppliers/manufacturing. You’ll notice Wal-Mart has similar practices.

Remember, somewhere, someone is suffering because you wanted to buy something cheaply.

]]> By: mapgirlhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2009/03/09/the-best-american-cars-of-2009/#comment-190031 mapgirl Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:10:09 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=5539#comment-190031 Correction. NUMMI is in NorCal, not SoCal. I forgot I took a plant tour there right after college. (And a plant tour of Sparrows Point for college.) Correction. NUMMI is in NorCal, not SoCal. I forgot I took a plant tour there right after college. (And a plant tour of Sparrows Point for college.)

]]> By: mapgirlhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2009/03/09/the-best-american-cars-of-2009/#comment-190030 mapgirl Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:08:09 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=5539#comment-190030 I agree with GJS. B/c of NAFTA, many Japanese branded cars are built in the US, and by 'built' I mean final assembly. Toyota has greenfield factories in the US. Consider NUMMI in Southern California: Toyota Corolla, Toyota Tacoma and Pontiac Vibe are all made there.GM used to have a factory in Sparrows Point in Baltimore that made the GMC Safari and other GM light trucks. The affiliated Allison transmission plant is still in suburban B'more.BMW IIRC has a plant in South Carolina. Honda in Ohio. VW has plants in Mexico and recently announced a plant for TN. Plus their North American HQ is in suburban DC where I live. :-)Of course many of the Japanese plants are not UAW or discourage unionizing. Not sure what that picture looks like these days. I agree with GJS. B/c of NAFTA, many Japanese branded cars are built in the US, and by ‘built’ I mean final assembly. Toyota has greenfield factories in the US. Consider NUMMI in Southern California: Toyota Corolla, Toyota Tacoma and Pontiac Vibe are all made there.

GM used to have a factory in Sparrows Point in Baltimore that made the GMC Safari and other GM light trucks. The affiliated Allison transmission plant is still in suburban B’more.

BMW IIRC has a plant in South Carolina.
Honda in Ohio.
VW has plants in Mexico and recently announced a plant for TN. Plus their North American HQ is in suburban DC where I live. :-)

Of course many of the Japanese plants are not UAW or discourage unionizing. Not sure what that picture looks like these days.

]]> By: UH2Lhttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2009/03/09/the-best-american-cars-of-2009/#comment-190022 UH2L Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:22:17 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=5539#comment-190022 Consumer Reports is flawed in how they do their research and they are biased. It shows when they criticize a twin car with an American brand while not criticizing the Japanese counterpart for the same thing. A specific example is how they didn't criticize center console mounted window switches on BMW's but chastised the Saturn L Series which had them at the time. There is a better site that doesn't sample only from its readers and does other things right. It's called truedelta.com.Anyway, American versus Import is more than just being about where the vehicle is built. Don't forget the higher numbers of white collar jobs attributed to the Detroit-based manufacturers. These include jobs in engineering, marketing, finance, dealer operations, etc... It should also be remembered where the profit goes in the end and how much the various companies have donated to charitable causes in the past. Manufacturing of the parts that go into a vehicle also affect the "American-ness" of the vehicle. Consumer Reports is flawed in how they do their research and they are biased. It shows when they criticize a twin car with an American brand while not criticizing the Japanese counterpart for the same thing. A specific example is how they didn’t criticize center console mounted window switches on BMW’s but chastised the Saturn L Series which had them at the time. There is a better site that doesn’t sample only from its readers and does other things right. It’s called truedelta.com.

Anyway, American versus Import is more than just being about where the vehicle is built. Don’t forget the higher numbers of white collar jobs attributed to the Detroit-based manufacturers. These include jobs in engineering, marketing, finance, dealer operations, etc… It should also be remembered where the profit goes in the end and how much the various companies have donated to charitable causes in the past. Manufacturing of the parts that go into a vehicle also affect the “American-ness” of the vehicle.

]]> By: GJShttp://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2009/03/09/the-best-american-cars-of-2009/#comment-190021 GJS Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:05:53 +0000 http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/?p=5539#comment-190021 American is a misnomer; even the companies with headquarters in the US do very little production within the US. Translation: Buying "American" does little to help working/middle class Americans because they aren't the men and women building most American cars. However, several of the "Asian" manufacturers actually have production facilities, albeit non-union, in South Carolina, Tennessee, etc.If you'd like to be truly patriotic, do your homework on where the specific make/model vehicle you're considering is manufactured and assembled. American is a misnomer; even the companies with headquarters in the US do very little production within the US. Translation: Buying “American” does little to help working/middle class Americans because they aren’t the men and women building most American cars. However, several of the “Asian” manufacturers actually have production facilities, albeit non-union, in South Carolina, Tennessee, etc.

If you’d like to be truly patriotic, do your homework on where the specific make/model vehicle you’re considering is manufactured and assembled.

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