Comments on: Bonuses Could Be Taxed at a Rate of 50%

By: Financial Samurai

Financial Samurai — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:21:19 +0000

Exactly. And that’s why it’s so ridiculous when you hear people say “You’re using our tax payers money to pay yourselves big bonuses! Give us back our money” etc. Why do we assume that it’s our money which was earmarked to bail out Wall St.? Our tax payer money could have been used to fund education for all we know.

But now, I disagree with you again. Institutional manager’s clients are who? They ARE me and you, unless you’re saying teachers, policemen, you and me don’t have pension funds, 401ks, IRAs, we contribute to? We are the clients, and we are tax payers. I don’t have to put $ with the Fidelity Magellan fund who participated. I can move to an ETF.

My rule is no apathy. You can’t complain about Wall St., and at the same time be OK with your fund you invest in give Citigroup money to raise capital.

Best,

Sam

By: Flexo

Flexo — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:12:34 +0000

Your assumption here is that the group of people buying stock as the companies raise funds are on the whole the same group of people who funded the TARP and that’s not true at all. In public offerings like these, it’s not you everyday tax payer footing the bill, it’s major institutional money maanagers, and a good portion are foreign.

By: Financial Samurai

Financial Samurai — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:56:07 +0000

The public LOVES Wall St. folks, and that’s why there won’t be this ridiculous tax. Proof of love?

Citigroup is raising $20 billion from the public now, to pack TARP (us) back, so they can pay themselves big bonuses. BOA ML just raised $20 billion from us several weeks ago, and now Wells Fargo.

If the public disliked Wall St., these banks wouldn’t be able to raise money from us AGAIN right now.

Watch what people do with their money, and not what they say.

Best,

Sam

By: H. Henry

H. Henry — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:16:46 +0000

As a banker in the US, I can confirm that my meager bonus is taxed at approx. 35% (highest income bracket) at the federal level, and similarly the highest rate at the state and local levels, despite making under 80K a year (which coincidentally means I’m not elgible to deduct interest on student loans). The end result is approx 50% in tax. The only real incentive is to store away bonus money in a tax-deferred 401k; but if bonus is considered a part of necessary income (for, let’s say reasonable rent or other expenses in an expensive city), then there’s a problem.

By: Flexo

Flexo — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:14:52 +0000

As Chris said, it’s important to note that income from bonuses and commissions are not taxed at a higher rate here than “regular” income in the United States. All income is the same (unless you are a fund manager and your income is considered investment gains and your rate is therefore only 15%). Companies often choose to take more out of your bonus check… but you get that back. You should be able to change your bonus tax withholding to some degree to get more of your income now and a lower refund/higher tax bill later (though you might be only able to go the other way with your withholding election…).

Now, a bonus might “put” you into the next tax bracket (but the commutative property of addition means that we could consider our first $1 of income the overage or the last $1 of income the overage, it’s all the same) and you might owe a higher tax rate on that $1 overage… But that’s the only way a bonus could translate into a higher tax rate.

By: Chris

Chris — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:43:33 +0000

U.S. Federal Income tax on end of year bonuses is the same as any other kind of earned income. They simply withhold 25% even if you’re above or below that tax bracket. You’ll either receive the difference in a tax refund if you’re in a lower bracket, or owe the difference if you’re in a higher tax bracket.

Medicare/aid and social security taxes still come out at the same rate.

This is from some google research I did after hearing of the year end bonus I’m receiving (no where near as much as they’re talking confiscatory tax-wise here).

When someone can explain to me what right they have to confiscatory levels of my income over my own right to the fruits of my labor, I’ll concede. Until then, I’ll keep fighting it, and I don’t care who is making the money, even if the general public hates them. I don’t ask for professional athletes who are paid insanely high amounts to be taxes extra. Why should it be any different for other industries?

By: SA

SA — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:30:31 +0000

My pay structure is base salary plus commission. Although commissions are different than bonuses, all my commissions are taxed at about 50% right off the top. Needless to say, that is a disincentive to work hard. On the other hand, I can’t really complain because I get some of my own money back when I file my taxes, I have a job, and at least I have the ability to earn extra money above my base salary as a lot of people can’t do that. So, all in all, I count my blessings, but that doesn’t always take the sting out of seeing that huge hit on my paystub!

By: KC

KC — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:28:21 +0000

I should clear up my above statement – by making the bonus a forgivable loan you are paying at your ordinary income tax rate and over the period of the length of the loan. It’s a bit of a double bonus in tax savings – less overall tax paid and stretched out of the period of the loan.

By: KC

KC — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:23:28 +0000

I’m not sure what the US rate is on a bonus, but its higher than ordinary income. The best bet is have your company structure the bonus as a loan. For instance you have a $10k bonus. You try to negotiate to have it structured as a forgivable loan at the rate of $1000/month. They give you the full amount up front and it is forgiven at a rate of $1000/month. You’ll need to pay quarterly taxes. The drawback is you’ll have to work there for 10 months to keep the money. But the taxes will be an easier burden and you still get the money upfront to invest.