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		<title>By: javaking</title>
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		<dc:creator>javaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 23:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with anyone who says that life is about the amount of money you have  and your job title.  I have personally found that after earning 2 college degrees in business administration and art that I have always been happier having less things and more time to do what fullfills me.  I live very well with my 1060 social security and part time host job making 500 a month.  I feel it all has to do with what you see as being important to you.  Being willing to settle for less for awhile to reach a larger goal is not humilation but developing a willingness to work for your goals and patience to wait for the rewards.  I have noticed that the people who tend to critique anyone who sees things differently than someone else is usually a very unfullfilled and jealous person anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with anyone who says that life is about the amount of money you have  and your job title.  I have personally found that after earning 2 college degrees in business administration and art that I have always been happier having less things and more time to do what fullfills me.  I live very well with my 1060 social security and part time host job making 500 a month.  I feel it all has to do with what you see as being important to you.  Being willing to settle for less for awhile to reach a larger goal is not humilation but developing a willingness to work for your goals and patience to wait for the rewards.  I have noticed that the people who tend to critique anyone who sees things differently than someone else is usually a very unfullfilled and jealous person anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Iâ€™m going through the same thing, and on top of that I constantly have to pay my parents back through our emergency Western Union Transfers.  I actually wound up finding a better service called Obopay than only charges fifteen cents per transfer.  I set up the account through my Citi account. They gave me a pre-paid debit card and sometimes I use that as a temporary savings account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Iâ€™m going through the same thing, and on top of that I constantly have to pay my parents back through our emergency Western Union Transfers.  I actually wound up finding a better service called Obopay than only charges fifteen cents per transfer.  I set up the account through my Citi account. They gave me a pre-paid debit card and sometimes I use that as a temporary savings account.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/surviving-and-thriving-on-12000-a-year/comment-page-1/#comment-119461</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in my mid 50&#039;s. I have two College Degrees - One in the Agriculture side and one in Business from a well known University. I started an MBA

I have had good jobs that paid well, with company cars and expense accounts. And they came with Freedom and Power.  And Travel.

I have owned my own successful business that yielded  up to $200,000 per year.

I owned prime property and had a net worth over $500,000.

It does not matter what you have had or what you want.  It can all be taken from you very quickly.  You can get Sick.  You can go through a nasty Divorce. Or Mother Nature can take away your Investments.

You fall off the middle class merry-go-round and it is hard to get back on.  You are a walking wounded.  And you find many others around you in the same condition.

Today I am living on about $12,000 per year.  I have Health Insurance and do not have to rely on any handouts or Government Services.  I am happy driving a 20 year old car.  I have less Stress and call my own shots.  And I feel that I am just taking a break and developing a Passion for the next Major Undertaking of my Life [as of yet undetermined but just brewing under the surface of my being].

So to those who are striving to be where I have once been - continue to do so.  Do so with a Passion that burns in your gut and makes you feel more than a Cog in someone else&#039;s Wheel.  Do not do a bunch of what-ifs, just do. 

You may never get a bloody nose like I did - but whatever you do, you will have no regrets.

Just be prepared to have it all taken away from you in a blink of an eye!  Some things and events are uninsurable.

And remember that your goal in life can and WILL change many times in your life. But you will have an edge everytime that was not present before - Experience!.

Also, one does not need a lot of &quot;Stuff&quot; to enjoy life.  And the stuff one owns, does not need to be the newest and greatest.  

So after reading the article and comments, my advice is to establish a Passion, a Passion that burns in your gut.  A Passion that does not have to be measured in Dollars, but something that defines yourself to you and to others.  

Even though I struggle with the feeling that I have been hit with a bad luck stick [there are some significant health concerns I must deal with], I remind myself that I have a lot of Experience locked up in me that will be valuable in my next venture/s.

Thanks for the article - it stirred some thoughts in me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in my mid 50&#8242;s. I have two College Degrees &#8211; One in the Agriculture side and one in Business from a well known University. I started an MBA</p>
<p>I have had good jobs that paid well, with company cars and expense accounts. And they came with Freedom and Power.  And Travel.</p>
<p>I have owned my own successful business that yielded  up to $200,000 per year.</p>
<p>I owned prime property and had a net worth over $500,000.</p>
<p>It does not matter what you have had or what you want.  It can all be taken from you very quickly.  You can get Sick.  You can go through a nasty Divorce. Or Mother Nature can take away your Investments.</p>
<p>You fall off the middle class merry-go-round and it is hard to get back on.  You are a walking wounded.  And you find many others around you in the same condition.</p>
<p>Today I am living on about $12,000 per year.  I have Health Insurance and do not have to rely on any handouts or Government Services.  I am happy driving a 20 year old car.  I have less Stress and call my own shots.  And I feel that I am just taking a break and developing a Passion for the next Major Undertaking of my Life [as of yet undetermined but just brewing under the surface of my being].</p>
<p>So to those who are striving to be where I have once been &#8211; continue to do so.  Do so with a Passion that burns in your gut and makes you feel more than a Cog in someone else&#8217;s Wheel.  Do not do a bunch of what-ifs, just do. </p>
<p>You may never get a bloody nose like I did &#8211; but whatever you do, you will have no regrets.</p>
<p>Just be prepared to have it all taken away from you in a blink of an eye!  Some things and events are uninsurable.</p>
<p>And remember that your goal in life can and WILL change many times in your life. But you will have an edge everytime that was not present before &#8211; Experience!.</p>
<p>Also, one does not need a lot of &#8220;Stuff&#8221; to enjoy life.  And the stuff one owns, does not need to be the newest and greatest.  </p>
<p>So after reading the article and comments, my advice is to establish a Passion, a Passion that burns in your gut.  A Passion that does not have to be measured in Dollars, but something that defines yourself to you and to others.  </p>
<p>Even though I struggle with the feeling that I have been hit with a bad luck stick [there are some significant health concerns I must deal with], I remind myself that I have a lot of Experience locked up in me that will be valuable in my next venture/s.</p>
<p>Thanks for the article &#8211; it stirred some thoughts in me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archetypical,

I ended up cutting my thoughts on toeing the line between accepting &quot;charity&quot; and sponging off of others out of my entry since it made things too longwinded, but your points are valid and worth addressing.  I&#039;ll put my response in a new entry, since it&#039;s an interesting springboard for discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archetypical,</p>
<p>I ended up cutting my thoughts on toeing the line between accepting &#8220;charity&#8221; and sponging off of others out of my entry since it made things too longwinded, but your points are valid and worth addressing.  I&#8217;ll put my response in a new entry, since it&#8217;s an interesting springboard for discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maxconfus,

Well, that&#039;s it, then.  I&#039;m going to write to the University that granted me my Masters and ask for my money back, in that case.  I was promised riches, chalets in the Alps, potential love interests falling at my feet....  They failed to deliver on all accounts.  =)

Actually, to be frank, I planned to be a college professor originally, and increased my earning potential by choosing another career path in the corporate world.  Had I spent the extra years and $10,000s to get my Ph.D. as I&#039;d originally wanted to do, I&#039;d probably be earning even less now.  I&#039;ll count my blessings, I suppose.

You&#039;re right about contractors, although an important thing to remember since my partner happens to be one is that it&#039;s almost like a career in rugby--it&#039;s hard on your body, harder still to get insurance or disability coverage, and at a certain age you need to find another field.  It&#039;s a career path with an expiration date.

I&#039;m quite curious what you do for a living now, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maxconfus,</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s it, then.  I&#8217;m going to write to the University that granted me my Masters and ask for my money back, in that case.  I was promised riches, chalets in the Alps, potential love interests falling at my feet&#8230;.  They failed to deliver on all accounts.  =)</p>
<p>Actually, to be frank, I planned to be a college professor originally, and increased my earning potential by choosing another career path in the corporate world.  Had I spent the extra years and $10,000s to get my Ph.D. as I&#8217;d originally wanted to do, I&#8217;d probably be earning even less now.  I&#8217;ll count my blessings, I suppose.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about contractors, although an important thing to remember since my partner happens to be one is that it&#8217;s almost like a career in rugby&#8211;it&#8217;s hard on your body, harder still to get insurance or disability coverage, and at a certain age you need to find another field.  It&#8217;s a career path with an expiration date.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite curious what you do for a living now, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Archetypical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archetypical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heated comment is in regard to Donna Freedmanâ€™s article.  The rest of the wisdom you have collected and posted is sage and should in no way be tainted by her activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heated comment is in regard to Donna Freedmanâ€™s article.  The rest of the wisdom you have collected and posted is sage and should in no way be tainted by her activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Archetypical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archetypical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think frugality is great, and there are certainly things we could all do without, but I refuse to glorify this woman who gets praised for leaching off of everyone.

If only we could all get paid alimony because we refuse to get a job or if only we were all comfortable stealing food from starving children via the food bank maybe we could all be as frugal as her.  She even mentioned that she would get food stamps if she could.  It seems almost miraculous that a system which allows people to misuse it so regularly found a way to at least not shoulder her fake burden on society as well!

This woman is an example, certainly, of how you can try to put a positive spin on the most dispicable of activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think frugality is great, and there are certainly things we could all do without, but I refuse to glorify this woman who gets praised for leaching off of everyone.</p>
<p>If only we could all get paid alimony because we refuse to get a job or if only we were all comfortable stealing food from starving children via the food bank maybe we could all be as frugal as her.  She even mentioned that she would get food stamps if she could.  It seems almost miraculous that a system which allows people to misuse it so regularly found a way to at least not shoulder her fake burden on society as well!</p>
<p>This woman is an example, certainly, of how you can try to put a positive spin on the most dispicable of activities.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Carvill</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Carvill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think life has become about learning to be frugal. Prices for everything are becoming so high that it is a necessity now instead of doing it to be a penny pincher. I am so glad to hear that it is possible to do it...the extra boost I needed to hear. Thanks. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think life has become about learning to be frugal. Prices for everything are becoming so high that it is a necessity now instead of doing it to be a penny pincher. I am so glad to hear that it is possible to do it&#8230;the extra boost I needed to hear. Thanks. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazy Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. The timing of this article is perfect for me right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. The timing of this article is perfect for me right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to how you feel about others&#039; net worth online, I imagine many of them are mildly or extremely exaggerated, whether on purpose or by accidental omission. People do tend to try to put themselves in a positive light.

And I firmly believe also, it&#039;s not what you make, it&#039;s what you spend! She has the right idea about handmedowns. People throw away perfectly good stuff all the time, and a keen eye can get great stuff for very little money.

Although on a side note, I would be pretty crushed if my wife abandoned me because she &quot;needed to change her life&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to how you feel about others&#8217; net worth online, I imagine many of them are mildly or extremely exaggerated, whether on purpose or by accidental omission. People do tend to try to put themselves in a positive light.</p>
<p>And I firmly believe also, it&#8217;s not what you make, it&#8217;s what you spend! She has the right idea about handmedowns. People throw away perfectly good stuff all the time, and a keen eye can get great stuff for very little money.</p>
<p>Although on a side note, I would be pretty crushed if my wife abandoned me because she &#8220;needed to change her life&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: maxconfus</title>
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		<dc:creator>maxconfus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having a masters in no way correlates to how much you will earn. knock on the doors of your local well-to-do new construction subdivision and ask how many have masters, what there occupation is, and if the house is paid for. i bet you will find that most are electricians, dry-wallers, and such and that their houses are paid with money in the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having a masters in no way correlates to how much you will earn. knock on the doors of your local well-to-do new construction subdivision and ask how many have masters, what there occupation is, and if the house is paid for. i bet you will find that most are electricians, dry-wallers, and such and that their houses are paid with money in the bank.</p>
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