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Today’s podcast features an interview with J.D. Roth from popular blog Get Rich Slowly. J.D. talks with Tom Dziubek and me about how he was inspired to begin writing about personal finance and his decision to leave the corporate world behind and take his passion to the next level.

Tom also speaks with Bryan J Busch from Stop Being Broken. Bryan is a usability expert, and Stop Being Broken is a series of videos pointing out problems with a wide variety of user experiences. One such user experience is the budget, and in this interview, Bryan explains what works for him and his wife. Here is the video and Excel spreadsheet mentioned in the interview.

 

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[00:00] Introduction from Flexo
[00:48] Interview with J.D. Roth of Get Rich Slowly about following passions
[01:38] — The beginning of Get Rich Slowly
[04:04] — Leaving the box factory to write full-time
[05:50] — The effect of self-employment on social interactions and benefits
[07:37] — How to prepare for leaving a career
[09:07] — Seeking professional advice
[10:30] — The progress of Get Rich Slowly and unforeseen obstacles
[15:12] — Tips that apply to passions other than writing
[16:39] — Pursuing multiple streams of income and the effect of the recession
[19:28] Interview with Bryan J Busch of Stop Being Broken
[20:20] — A family budget system for dual income
[21:41] — Adapting the budget for a single income family
[23:48] — Using joint savings accounts in addition to checking accounts
[25:23] — Alternative approaches to the budget
[27:00] — Automatic transfers based on the budget
[28:44] End

If you have suggestions for the next edition of the Consumerism Commentary Podcast, or reactions to these interviews, feel free to leave a comment here or email your thoughts to podcast at this domain name.

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I do not normally write about blogging here. For me, writing about blogging is like singing a song about the songs one sings rather than singing a song about something inspiring in itself. Nevertheless, this is a blog in which I write about my experiences with money, and blogging has played an increasing role in my finances over the past few years.

After blogging or adding chronological updates to websites since 1994, it wasn’t until January 2005 I received my first check as a result of this writing. Granted I didn’t start Consumerism Commentary until July 2003 and I didn’t add advertising until November 2004, that’s a long time to have a hobby without any consideration of income. In fact, I could stretch my history back to 1989 with my first experience building on-line communities.

Even after that first check in January 2005, income from blogging was slow. I gradually added new projects like the Carnival of Personal Finance, helped form the MoneyBlogNetwork, created pfblogs.org, and offered to host a number of personal finance blogs by other offers for free. January 2007 was the first month in which my income from these activities surpassed my income from my “real” job.

Invariably, one of the most common questions I receive from friends and readers is about leaving my day job. When will I take the plunge by quitting my nine-to-five obligations and dedicating that time to an endeavor that seems to be providing a better payoff? The idea first crossed my mind as a remote possibility in January 2007 and as a serious option in January 2008 when my income from this “hobby” was consistently twice my salary.

The benefits are numerous.

  • I would not be tied to any particular location. Without having to report to an office every day, I would have the freedom to work from home, my girlfriend’s house, a public library, or a hotel in Arizona. Additionally, I could live anywhere in the world with a reliable connection to the internet, saving money on living expenses. If I so desired, I could even take the extreme route and live out of my car.
  • I would be my own boss. Rather than being subject to the whim of a large multinational corporations and the seemingly endless levels of authority between the CEO and myself (currently at six or so), I make the decisions about which projects to pursue and how much time and effort to devote. I’ll still need to answer to the government when it is time to pay taxes, however.
  • I could devote more time to my projects. By leaving my primary job I would have more time on my hands to work with. With more time, I would be able to focus on improving the quality of everything I do now as well as working on new projects.

If those were the only points to consider, I would have quit my job to focus on my writing months ago. Here is the other side to the story.

  • There’s not much of a business plan. A good portion of income from this side business is from advertising. It’s rather short on products that consumers can use other than information. I don’t see this as a sound strategy for the long term. People who study this particular industry believe even in the short term, such as this year, on-line advertising could experience a decline.
  • Income is too reliant upon Google. Even though only a small portion of income comes directly from Google, most other income sources rely on Google indirectly. The search engine delivers visitors who search for certain topics to Consumerism Commentary or other websites I manage. As I experienced first-hand about a year ago, one small change in Google’s algorithms or opinions could ruin the business model. If only regular readers visit Consumerism Commentary, advertising mostly fails.
  • It’s not wise to voluntarily give up five figures of annual income. It’s hard to turn away from a consistent, relatively stable check every two weeks, including low-cost health and disability benefits, a 401(k) matching contribution and discounted stock purchase plan. I also work with interesting people, and it’s nice to spend my time in an environment that is friendly and not too saturated with a sense of urgency. But if even 25% of my total income is stable as long as I perform as expected, I have a foundation to rely on when the other 75% could be inconsistent.

There are straightforward arguments against most of these drawbacks. With more time to devote to my projects after quitting my day job, I could come up with a more diversified business plan. That might include the typical “financial guru” fare like presenting speeches and writing a book. Neither of these excite me for a variety of reasons, the least of which is that I am quite critical of people who are “gurus.” I am more interested in building communities and would like to find more way to accomplish that.

I could also argue that the time I would receive back from my employer could be used to earn more income than I would be giving up by leaving that job, but that’s not a foregone conclusion.

If I am going to take a risk by leaving the corporate world and possibly revealing my identity, it’s better to do so now before I have more obligations and people other than myself who rely on my income. And it is true that I could reenter the traditional workforce if necessary if my plans for self-sufficiency fail. With all this to consider, I will stick with indecision until I decide to make a decision or until my company decides to make that decision for me.

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There is a certain allure to the idea of “passive income.” After all, who wouldn’t want a continuous stream of income without having to trade your time or effort for it? But true passive income is quite elusive. True passive income can be defined, and is defined by the Internal Revenue Service, as “cash flow generated by activities in which the tax payer does not materially participate.” But outside of portfolio income, cash flow generated solely by appreciation of an asset like a stock (and liquidation of the earnings), there are few examples of true passive income.

Even Wikipedia gets it wrong.

Real estate: the classic example is false. Rent on a habitable property is generally called “passive income,” but it’s not. If you want to have tenants and consistently earn income from the property, it must be maintained. At the simplest level, as a landlord, you must interview prospective tenants, arrange background checks, respond to maintenance issues, keep the property attractive and in working condition, process rent payments, draw lease agreements, and maintain connections with plumbers, electricians, painters, and real estate agents (or do that work yourself). Even if you outsource management to an outside firm, you must develop the contract and oversee the management.

The more work you’re doing, and being a landlord is a lot of work, the less passive your income is. Outsourcing more of the work results in less income overall.

You won’t hear about this in the motivational books and seminars, but the only way to ensure high cash flow from real estate is by owning and renting out a lot of properties, and outsourcing the management of all of them. Incredibly high volume would hopefully make up for the thin margins due to outsourcing the management. But building this real estate empire takes the kind of time and effort that those with “passive income” written on their forehead with indelible ink may not understand or accept.

The allure of AdSense. Time and time again I hear from people who are excited and motivated to start a blog with the intent of throwing up some advertising to earn passive income, expecting almost immediate returns. Unless you plan on scraping other websites and stealing their content — and if you do, I hope those who provide the income will discover this tactic and stop providing the income to you — this concept is miles away from the idea of “passive income.” While there are always exceptions, for the most part you can’t just throw up a website, add advertising, and expect passive income to roll in.

If you want to really earn money online, you have to work. You must create lots of content, relevant content, and you must continue doing so. This is highly active income, not passive.

Like the real estate empire, you could simply register hundreds of domain names — there are programs that will do this for you, for a fee — and throw up one page on each full of advertisements. With incredible volume, you’ll make more from your thin profit margins. But what benefit does an empire of hundreds of websites devoid of content provide to the internet at large? It just creates more junk websites that are nuisances to anyone who is attempting to properly perform research on the internet.

This seems like a strange message coming from me. I’m earning a multiple of my day job’s salary by working with the web in my “spare time.” But this work is so far from what anyone could consider “passive income” that I’m almost insulted when I hear that. My strongest efforts wax and wane with the moon, and so does the resulting income. Consumerism Commentary won’t “run itself” and continue generating income for long.

In general, I have an option: either be a positive force, adding to the wealth of information online, even if the information is more interesting to me than to anyone else, or don’t do it at all.

When I read about the truth about earning money from real estate, like in The Complete Real-Estate Investing Guidebook by David Crook, rather than ambiguous, motivational bull (I won’t mention any specific authors, but you know who you are), I see that real estate management is not truly passive income, and success won’t come for most people who try, particularly those after a quick buck. I know from experience that the same holds true for earning money online.

Simply: If you want to earn income, you have to work for it; that is, income is active. The IRS may call certain things “passive income,” but the term itself is a lie.

Things are a little different from an investor’s point of view, and I’ll tackle that approach soon.

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Today, the Wall Street Journal’s Tech News Briefing podcast includes an interview with me about the growth or demise of professional blogging. Here are the Wall Street Journal’s podcasts and the RSS feed to subscribe to the Tech News Briefing.

My interview starts at about 7:40. I share some of my experiences with blogging particularly at Consumerism Commentary and my thoughts about earning money with blogs, non-professional blogging, professional blogging for the beginner, and bloggers earning over $100,000 from their websites.

Download the podcast here.

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About the author: This is a guest post by the anonymous author of the blog Father Sez, a father of four children who wishes to share with and learn from other parents with the goal of preparing children for facing the world independently.

You know your financial life is in a mess. You know the steps you should take in order to straighten your financial life out. You set SMART financial goals and developed plans to achieve these goals. You figure that if you keep plodding at your plans you’ll eventually reach your goals.

Life is not often this simple. There will be obstacles. Old habits may be a little hard to break.

Having a turbo charger will help.

And what would that be? Simple, start your own personal finance blog! A blog that would chronicle your past, your present goals to transform yourself, and your journey to achieve these goals.

a) The Dumb Little Man wrote a great article on the 7 common reasons why people fail to achieve their goals. Prominent amongst them was failure to write down the goals, failing to review them periodically and not having a support group.

Your blog by its very nature will overcome these. This happens by the very process of you writing up your posts, doing the research that may be needed for the post and the comments that your readers would be making. And very importantly on a regular basis.

b) Having a goal buddy is accepted as a powerful aid to achieving goals. They provide motivation, accountability and preserve our determination. I am sure you’ll agree that it’s not easy to find a goal buddy. With your blog, the readers in the community you build will be your buddies. They’ll give you continuous motivation, accountability and determination.

c) Once you have started your blog and announced its supporting mission statement, you’ll start feeling that you have a duty to perform — a duty to studiously and strenuously work to achieve your goals. You’ll feel that you are a role model to your readers.

Read how the act of not following his own suggestions for a mere two months affects Glbl Guy. He confesses this slip up to his readers, whom he calls his accountability partners.

Incidentally, he received a whopping number of comments, every one of them supporting and encouraging him and to overlook the lapses as just being human. You cannot get a better community of goal buddies than this!

d) Receive continuous guidance, tips and resources on improvements that can be made in your plans. The blogosphere is incredibly generous when it comes to sharing information and tips. As you proceed on your blogging journey, you’ll find yourself reading a lot of other blogs. And you’ll find tons and tons of advice and help.

You can get solutions to almost every obstacle that you may meet in your own journey of financial transformation. Tips on frugality, 100 ways to reduce your energy bills, how to prepare your budget, financial calculators, or understanding risk, all are answered in other blogs.

Many of the blogs I read and respect were set up for this very reason.

For example, Flexo created Consumerism Commentary to “hold himself accountable for his finances.” Ana of Debt Free Revolution wants to detail her debt reduction efforts and strategies.

Present day technology has made it easy to create and maintain a blog. While some people may swear by online tools that help in our goal setting and achieving process, I suggest that starting a personal finance blog (or a fitness/health blog, if getting rid of excess weight is your goal) is a far better option.

Just starting a blog for the sake of starting a blog will not be of much use. You must first have a will, a will to transform your life. When you have this will, the blog will turbo charge your journey to transformation.

To start your blog, visit WordPress.com. If you are joining the personal finance blogosphere, add your blog to the index at pfblogs.org and get insight about running your blog at the MoneyBlogNetwork Forums.

To read more about finance and family from this author, visit Father Sez and subscribe to the blog’s RSS feed.

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