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Tom Dziubek and Flexo speak with Mark Frauenfelder, the creator of Boing Boing and the editor-in-chief of the MAKE magazine. Frauenfelder also writes for Credit.com, and within this interview he shares details about some of this website’s new services including the Credit Report Card (reviewed here).

Frauenfelder is a proponent of the do-it-yourself (DIY) lifestyle, and he explains the source of his interest in this lifestyle as well as details about a forthcoming book on the subject.

 

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Mark Frauenfelder[00:00] Introduction from Flexo
[00:32] Interview with Mark Frauenfelder
[00:55] Boing Boing
[01:50] Mark’s move to the Cook Islands
[03:59] MAKE magazine
[05:15] Mark’s involvement with Credit.com
[08:12] Services offered by Credit.com
[09:05] Credit.com vs. credit reporting bureaus
[10:12] Personal information on Credit.com
[11:21] Improving your credit with the Credit Report Card
[13:57] Building cigar box guitars
[15:45] Beekeeping
[19:21] Upcoming book on do-it-yourself (DIY) experiences
[23:42] End

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For a few years, Credit Karma has been offering a product that lets consumers see what lenders and employers see when they look at the consumers’ credit reports. After securely and privately providing your personal information, Credit Karma retrieves your credit report from one of the credit reporting bureaus, either Experian, Equifax, or TransUnion.

Credit Karma then analyzes your details and assigns a grade, A through F. The various categories receiving grades relate to the items that determine your credit score. Lenders review these items when deciding whether to extend credit to you, how much credit to extend, and at what cost.

This is a free service, supported by advertising.

Yesterday, Credit.com announced they will also be offering a similar free service, providing a credit report card to help you evaluate and improve your credit report.

So which service is better? I took both services for test drives.

Credit report cards

Here are some of the most obvious differences. Credit.com assigns grades to the following categories: Payment history, debt usage, credit age, account mix, and inquiries. Credit Karma’s categories are similar: Open credit card utilization, percent of on-time payments, average age of open credit lines, total accounts, hard credit inquiries, total debt, and debt-to-income ratio. More categories, and therefore more information, is more helpful.

To look further into the health of my credit, Credit Karma offers charts in each category, placing my result within the spectrum of results from the Credit Karma Community, all users of the website. So I can see, for example, that the grade of “C” Credit Karma gave me for “Total Accounts,” which includes how those accounts are divided among revolving credit accounts and loans, puts me in a group of users who received an average score of 683, significantly lower than my score.

This tells me I’m doing well enough in the other categories to make up for this deficit but improving my mix of accounts will improve my score further.

I also received a grade of “C” from Credit.com for the “Credit Mix” category. Credit.com doesn’t offer a chart, but it does include details about my types of credit (23 revolving credit accounts, 0 mortgage loans, 1 auto loan, 6 student loans) and excellent suggestions for specific actions I can take to improve in this category.

Here are some screen shots. Click on the thumbnails to see the full-size images. [click to continue…]

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If you’re a frequent reader of this (or any other personal finance blog) you’re familiar with credit scores and credit reports, and the advice to check them often.

These resources detail your financial history and provide a measure of your supposed financial risk. They’re also useful tools to determine the safety of your identity. However, when was the last time you checked your ID Score?

MyIDScore.com is a new company that offers what they call, “a new way to quickly assess your risk of identity theft.”

Your ID Score is:

A statistical score that’s based on technology currently used by leading communications, financial services, retail companies, healthcare providers, government agencies, and consumers to assess your risk of identity theft. These companies use ID Analytics’ scoring technology to ensure that fraudsters do not apply for goods and services in an innocent consumer’s name.

Basically, your ID Score will give you an overall picture of the security of your identity, just as your credit score gives you an overall picture of the state of your finances. Monitoring every single part of your identity that gets tossed around is a big job, and MyIDScore.com wants to help.

The interesting thing is, even though you’ve probably never heard of ID Analytics, you’ve almost certainly had your data analyzed by them, notes an MSNBC.com article:

ID Analytics is not exactly a household name. That’s because most of us never deal with the company directly. But if you’ve purchased a wireless phone, have a credit card or applied for a retail charge card, there’s a good chance the company analyzed the information on your application.

How does it work?

After providing your personal information, ID Score utilizes information provided by retailers, governmental bodies, financial service providers, healthcare companies, communication providers and other companies to determine how you can protect your identity.

What about privacy?

Obviously, if you’re providing all of your personal information, MyIDScore.com will have access to quite a bit of what goes on in your life. By doing this, it’ll be easier to monitor what goes on in your life, but you won’t be the only one doing it. The site does take privacy very seriously, and you can choose how your information is used.

Is it worth it?

Monitoring your identity is becoming more and more of priority, especially since the ways in which someone can access your personal information are increasing exponentially. IDScore may be the right fit for some people, and it seems to be an extremely useful and powerful tool.

Am I going to use it? Probably not right now (knock on wood). I’m comfortable with the “old school” methods I’m using to protect my identity for the time being. I can see myself considering IDScore.com in the future, however.

It’s good to know that there are tools out there that can help you keep your identity safe. Many people would benefit from a product like this, and I’d recommend it to anyone who is even moderately worried about their identity.

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Fair Isaac, the company that created and owns what is generally known as your credit score, is suing Experian and TransUnion, two of the three credit reporting bureaus, for creating a competing product that blurs the line between the “real” credit score and the others. The third credit reporting bureau, Equifax, agreed to settle with Fair Isaac. Fair Isaac uses data from the three bureaus to determine the main credit score used by lenders, security companies, employers, landlords, and many others. This is the FICO score. Fair Isaac has also been developing a new and improved score, FICO 08, used less frequently.

After years of selling their own credit scores to customers — “FAKO” scores — the credit bureaus worked together to create VantageScore, a product to compete with the FICO score. The bureaus claim the VantageScore is more accurate for determining the credit risk of an individual, but Fair Isaac believes the credit bureaus have marketed the VantageScore as if it were the “official” FICO score and the VantageScore infringes on Fair Isaac’s copyright.

There is always an advantage to having competition in the marketplace, but in this case, competition and the lack of clear marketing creates confusion. An individual’s credit score can vary wildly from one company’s calculation to another. It’s also important for consumers to know exactly what they are buying, or even accessing for free.

Even with CreditKarma, which promises to provide your real credit score for free thanks to the support provided by advertising, there is no indication on the website to explain which credit score you are receiving. It is my understanding that CreditKarma receives the score from TransUnion, but it is unlikely they provide the FICO score used by the vast majority of lenders. If it were, CreditKarma would be advertising the fact that you can receive your FICO score for free.

Fair Isaac wants customers to go directly through Fair Issac, and only Fair Isaac, to obtain your FICO credit score. Through myFICO, Fair Isaac charges $15.95 for the “standard” FICO score, and they want to stop credit bureaus from selling or offering products that are confusingly similar to the FICO score.

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Here are a few articles from around the web I suggest reading.

Dangerous Personal Finance Magazine Headlines: The Attraction of High Yields. Jonathan points out some recent examples from magazines featuring enticing headlines on the cover. This is done to inspire sales of magazines. The investing advice found within is dubious, and important facts are often not included. That wouldn’t make a good headline. It’s not just magazines; a good headline promising something hardly attainable draws people in whether it’s a television news lead-in, a legitimate newspaper, or yes, even a blog.

Why Entrepreneurs Fail. Erica Douglass has three reasons why most entrepreneurs fail. First, I think it is great to recognize that most people who try to run their own business fail. Even those who succeed likely failed first. The three reasons included in this article are a subset of the hundreds of problems that plague small and start-up businesses. But for me, I can relate to all three “traps.”

Average Credit Scores Down From 2007, but Leveling Off. My girlfriend purchased a new car this weekend. Yes, a new car, not a new-to-her car, for a number of valid reasons, just like when I bought my new car a few years ago. She chose an economical car that rates well, drives fun, and gets decent gas-mileage. Although she might not be happy with me sharing the details, she made a down payment of over 60% of the purchase price and took out a loan for the rest. Here’s the point: for the first time, she shared with me her credit score. You know how the highest score is 850? Well, she’s not far from that number. She wins!

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Do you live your life as if everything you do could be made public? I once heard a suggestion that you should judge every decision you make based on whether you would like to see this decision on the front page of the New York Times. That is a good theory, but I can’t say I fully live by this philosophy.

Regardless of the life decisions I make, my purchase decisions are being recorded and analyzed. Almost all of my spending, particularly my major spending, is accomplished through a credit card. I only buy what I can afford and I pay the bill in full every month, but the fact I don’t enter debt or pay interest fees is besides the point.

Based on the places I shop, credit card companies may decide that, based on studies and calculations of the American consuming public en masse, I have become a riskier consumer. If I shop at Some Discount Store, and the algorithms show that people who shop at Some Discount Store are more likely to miss payments or default on a loan, the credit card companies can increase my rates or lower my credit limit. They can change the terms of my credit agreement without missing a payment, exceeding my credit limit, or using a higher percentage of my available credit. Yes, the credit card companies can decide to categorize me in a lower “credit class” based on where I shop. The Credit CARD Act of 2009 doesn’t change this possibility.

If the credit card companies decide to place me in a lower class of consumer, they could increase my interest rates or lower my credit limit. With less credit available, my credit score could be negatively affected. A lower credit score could then have significant financial consequences; I may not qualify for as low as an interest rate on a mortgage than I would have otherwise.

So if you are concerned more about what the credit card companies think of you than you are about what your friends and family think of you, avoid raising a red flag with your banks by choosing cash for these ten purchases. These were suggested by Marketplace.

1. Traffic tickets. If you are more likely to speed and get caught, and to pay for your ticket or court fees with credit, you are a bigger credit risk. Because people who pay for tickets on their credit card tend to default on their payments more often, the credit cards may place you in a lower category of borrowers.

2. Retreading your tires. If you choose to retread rather than replace tires, credit card companies assume you do not have the money to properly maintain your possessions. And if the issuers believe you have less money than you may have indicated when you applied for the card, they might choose to reduce your benefits.

3. Bargain stores. Marketplace points out that American Express has been accused of lowering customers’ credit limits just for shopping at Wal-Mart. That sounds like class discrimination disguised as risk management, but the issuers argue that a change in shopping behavior in a direction of bargain stores indicates concern about money, and if that concern is legitimate, a job loss might be on the horizon. Following the thread, unemployed consumers are more likely to cause a problem for credit card companies.

4. Porn. While the Marketplace article says adult entertainment is simply considered escapism, and those who wish to “escape” may do so due to financial conditions, it seems more likely that credit card simply find consumers of porn to be riskier than others. I wonder if there is any distinction between local strip clubs and high-class escort establishments.

5. Marriage counseling and therapy. If your relationship is on the rocks, divorce might be imminent. Divorce brings on financial problems of its own, such as increased debt and even bankruptcy. The credit card companies will want to cover the possibility of future losses if they believe you are likely to go through a divorce.

6. Lottery tickets. Considered a tax on the poor, lottery tickets are purchased overwhelmingly by people without much money; perhaps winning the jackpot is seen as the only way for people who may not have been given the opportunities of the middle class, or those who had the opportunity to succeed but did not take advantage of them for whatever reason, to build a successful life. Credit card companies see lottery ticket purchases as acts of desperation, and those who are desperate are greater credit risks.

I must confess that when a co-worker goes from cubicle to cubicle, collecting a dollar from each of us to play in the large-jackpot lottery, I still contribute most of the time — not in an act of blind hope but in an act of being social. My coworker doesn’t accept credit cards, though, so I stay out of the banks’ radars.

7. Cash advances. Many years ago, I did take a cash advance. This was before I knew much of anything about personal finance. I had no emergency fund and I left my low-earning non-profit job without a concrete plan. I just needed a few hundred dollars to get me by for a little bit, and I paid it back quickly. But the credit card issuer could have used this event to lower my limit, increase my interest rate, and lower my credit score.

8. Personal pampering. Marketplace suggests women refrain from charging visits to the spa on the credit card if they haven’t established a history of doing so previously.

9. Income taxes. the IRS allows you to pay your income tax bill via credit card. In fact, many people have recommended doing so if you have the cash to pay the bill in full when it comes due and if you can earn cash back or other valuable rewards by paying a large amount of money through credit. But a credit card company may interpret this method of payment as a sign that you can’t handle your financial responsibilities and may penalize you to prevent a larger loss if you default.

10. Alcohol. Drowning your financial sorrows at the bar? That is what the credit card issuers are likely to think if you start using your credit card in bars and liquor stores. Start making a habit of visiting bars and charging the drinks and you may raise a red flag.

While it’s unlikely that some Chase employee is poring over your credit card statement marking demerits for your porn, booze, gambling and spa vacations, the credit card companies have algorithms that detect these patterns automatically. Effectively, a computer program is making the “decision” that could result in you paying thousands of dollars more for your mortgage than if you just paid cash for these certain products and activities.

10 purchases not to put on credit cards, Marketplace, July 8, 2009

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Your money is important, and so I want to make sure I’m telling you the truth in every instance. A few months ago I wrote an article called What You Need to Know About the FICO Update, which contained some news about the process of “piggybacking”:

Not too long ago companies started offering to add someone with poor credit as an authorized user on an account belonging to someone with better credit. After a while, the credit rating for the less fortunate person would improve. Under the new formula, this sort of—let’s be frank—trickery will not be rewarded. Spouses and children, however, will not be penalized in the same way.

Throughout that day, a commenter named Bill tried to tell me I was wrong, and since the e-mail address he used was linked to a company that provides such a service (he didn’t make the address public, so I won’t, either), I still had my doubts.

And I’ve had doubts ever since, in both directions. I thought it’d be worthwhile to wait a few months and see if any news outlets made retractions or corrections to the initial flood of reports that FICO 08 will no longer reward piggybacking. So far they haven’t. Here’s one from May 13th that says the same thing again.

So, I thought, “Well, why not just see what Fair Isaac (the FICO people) say?” And after searching for “fico 08″ on their Web site, exactly one useful page shows up: Fair Isaac Innovation Will Restore Authorized User Accounts to Calculation of FICO 08 Scores.

What that article says is this:

[FICO's] scientists have discovered a way to restore authorized user credit accounts to the calculation of FICO® 08 credit scores while materially reducing any potential impact to the score from tampering. Fair Isaac is now adding the patent-pending technology advance to its FICO® 08 formula. The company estimates that more than 50 million U.S. consumers are legitimate authorized users on another person’s credit card.

It’s that last phrase that I think is the most important: authorized users on another person’s credit card. So, if you have the authority to charge something to a credit card that also has someone else’s name on it, that’s not piggybacking. That’s being an authorized user, and your credit score will benefit from being associated with that person.

In the descriptions I’ve read of services that provide piggybacking, you don’t get access to the credit line or the authority to charge anything on a stranger’s card. Of course you don’t; that would be absurd. I think this is the gap where FICO’s scientists are able to distinguish between authorized users and piggybackers, and why my original conclusion still stands.

Here’s a good article from Bankrate (that updated a previous article) which explains FICO’s:

  1. original decision to ignore all authorized users
  2. the protests (from people like Bill)
  3. and the subsequent tweaking that FICO made to keep authorized users, but still ignore piggybackers

Here are a couple of key phrases:

Legitimate authorized users, such as spouses, parents and children, have relationships with the primary accountholders and reasons to share access to the accounts.

Fair Isaac said lenders complained that using FICO 08 would inhibit compliance with Federal Reserve Regulation B, which requires lenders assessing a married person’s credit risk to consider the credit history of accounts shared by the spouses.

Fair Isaac is keeping the specifics of the new analytic approach secret but says it has found a way to restore authorized-user accounts to the formula but also reduce the impact of piggybacking.

To conclude: authorized users = spouses, children, people with a relationship to the cardholder. Piggybackers = unauthorized.

I don’t want to riddle your screen with links to each news outlet’s report, so I’ll just direct you to Google News for more. Check out a comprehensive list of articles from 2009 that all agree. (Well, they all agree, except for the ones that are reproductions of press releases from companies that offer piggybacking services.)

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In today’s podcast, Tom Dziubek talks with Ken Lin from Credit Karma about credit scores. Tom also talks about credit scores and the Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act with MSN Money’s Liz Weston.

 

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[00:00] Introduction from Flexo
[00:38] Interview with Ken Lin of Credit Karma about credit scores
[01:22] — Explaining a credit score
[02:33] — The three credit bureaus
[03:24] — Credit Karma overview
[04:26] — Positive indicators in March credit scores
[05:47] — Lending practice changes and possible impact on credit scores
[06:38] — Limitations of a good credit rating
[08:15] — Credit Karma wrap-up
[08:51] Interview with Liz Weston of MSN Money about the Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights and improving credit scores
[09:26] — Status of the Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act
[10:10] — Reactions of credit card companies to the bill
[11:50] — Liz’s take on people being able to adjust their credit limits
[12:56] — Will credit card companies to freeze or slow lending?
[14:20] — The importance of improving your credit score
[15:50] — Liz’s seven fast fixes on improving your credit score
[21:19] — The differences between the three major credit bureaus
[23:40] — Liz Weston wrap-up
[24:28] End

If you have suggestions for the next edition of the Consumerism Commentary Podcast, or reactions to these interviews, feel free to leave a comment here or email your thoughts to podcast at this domain name.

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