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When Mint and Intuit announced the latter would be acquiring the former, the Quicken team and Aaron Patzer, the CEO of Mint, now a vice president of Intuit’s personal finance division, claimed that their two similar online product offerings, Mint and Quicken Online, would continue to co-exist. This made little sense to me.

In fact, I asked, “How long will it continue to make sense to maintain two highly similar services under one roof?”

We now know the answer is, “Not long at all.” The acquisition has passed regulatory requirements and is now official. With this news, Intuit has also announced that Quicken Online will cease to exist within six to nine months. This phase out will move Quicken Online users over to the Mint software.

It makes more business sense for Intuit to consolidate these similar product offerings, and I figured that in time either this would be the case or Mint’s software would be re-branded with the “Quicken Online” name.

I am not a heavy user of either Mint or Quicken Online. I prefer the desktop software. With Patzer heading the development of the desktop software as well, I expect some improvements in a year or so with the next or subsequent yearly release.

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CEO and founder of Mint, Aaron Patzer, joins Consumerism Commentary again to discuss his company’s recent acquisition by Intuit and possible changes to personal finance software.

Also on today’s poscast, Tom Dziubek speaks with Bryan Olson from Charles Schwab about the new rules for Roth IRA conversion that will be in effect next year.

 

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[00:00] Introduction from Flexo
[00:36] Interview with Aaron Patzer, CEO and founder of Mint, about their recent acquisition by Intuit
[01:29] Mint users’ reaction to news of the acquisition
[01:55] Aaron’s new role at Intuit
[04:56] The future of Quicken Online
[06:36] Interfacing with ING Direct
[08:27] Impact on Mint employees
[11:28] Aaron discusses spending the earnings
[14:12] Interview with Bryan Olson of Charles Schwab about 2010 Roth IRA conversion rule changes
[14:46] Roth IRAs vs. traditional IRAs
[15:29] The conversion rule changes
[16:20] Government incentives for these changes
[17:35] Who benefits from the changes and what should be considered
[21:22] People who benefit the least from a conversion
[22:56] Differences of impact between age brackets
[24:12] End

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The news in personal finance today is that Intuit, the makers of Quicken and TurboTax, purchased internet start-up Mint, a service that has come into its own in the past few years. The two companies offer competing products: Quicken Online and Mint are both free web applications that aggregate your financial information across a wide variety of banks, credit cards, and investment accounts.

We’ve reviewed both offerings at Consumerism Commentary. We offered one of the first looks at Quicken Online as well as an early look at Mint, both from 2007. We’ve also spoken to representatives from each of the companies for the Consumerism Commentary Podcast. On May 3, we spoke with Aaron Patzer, the CEO of Mint and on June 7, we spoke with Barron Ernst, the product manager of Quicken Online. Both interviews offered interesting insights into the software and the philosophy behind the companies.

There has been fierce competition between the two companies as they raced to announce higher user numbers. Intuit challenged Mint not too long ago to substantiate their claims that they were adding 3,000 users a day. Any bitterness seems to have subsided for the time being. Mint seemed to be winning the battle over users, and it’s not a bad move for Intuit to buy the competition.

Each application has its own strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I use the desktop version of Quicken to manage my own finances. I don’t believe the software is perfect, but I prefer it above any of the web-based applications.

With this deal, Intuit obtains customers it was unable to reach and Mint obtains the backing of one of the best-known software brands. Intuit will continue offering both web-based services for free, and there are no current plans to integrate one set of users into the other piece of software. How long will it continue to make sense to maintain two highly similar services under one roof? Consolidating the users of the two separate services into one larger user base would solidify the surviving software’s spot at the summit among other similar services such as Geezeo.

Read Quicken’s announcement | Read Mint CEO Aaron Patzer’s opinion

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In today’s podcast, Tom Dziubek talks with Dr. Bonnie Eaker Weil about ensuring your marriage or relationship survives the recession. Tom also talks with Aaron Patzer, CEO of Mint, about the new financial advisory features released to beta testers.

 
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[00:00] Introduction from Flexo
[00:41] Interview with Dr. Bonnie Eaker-Weil about how to recession-proof your relationship
[03:12] — Keeping money talks under 10 minutes
[06:41] — The childhood development of financial belief sets
[09:00] — Marital stress issues on the rise since the October market collapse
[12:23] — When new couples should start talking money
[16:14] — Dr. Bonnie wrap-up
[17:16] Interview with Aaron Patzer, CEO of Mint.com
[18:30] — Security at Mint.com
[22:31] — Mint.com vs. Quicken
[24:20] — New financial features at Mint.com
[27:55] — Instructions on how to get a new feature beta account via Consumerism Commentary
[28:15] — How Mint.com makes money from affiliates
[30:42] — Aaron Patzer wrap-up
[31:25] End

If you have suggestions for the next edition of the Consumerism Commentary Podcast, or reactions to these interviews, feel free to leave a comment here or email your thoughts to podcast at this domain name.

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Starting today, Mint will begin beta testing some significant new features. Mint, a web application that helps you track your financial transactions, account balances, debt and budget, is branching into financial advice. For a few weeks, beta testers will have exclusive access to these new features described below. I have 200 invitations to share with Consumerism Commentary readers who would like to be part of this beta testing group. Keep reading to find out how you can receive an invitation to the beta testing program.

Almost two years ago, Consumerism Commentary contributor Sasha reviewed Mint, freshly minted. As I mentioned at the time, I figured I would not become a regular user of this software. I am a devoted user of Quicken Home and Business, and I am comfortable with my process. When Smithee noticed that Mint.com had been offering new features earlier this year, I still didn’t pay too much attention.

But I had the chance to speak today with Mint’s CEO Aaron Patzer and experience a preview of the new features the company plans to release to the public in a few weeks. To prepare, I signed into my Mint account for the first time in several months. I was pleasantly surprised to see Mint now supports automatic updates of a variety of investment accounts, loans, and house values, as well offers the option for manual entry accounts for cash expenditures. The charting and reporting functions are much improved.

New features now available for beta testers

Mint wants to get the word out about new additions that take the application’s financial insight and visibility to the next level: action steps to help you improve your financial situation. The developers worked with real, live financial advisers to develop five broad principles for guiding their users towards making healthy financial decisions: knowing your money, spending less than you earn, using debt wisely, investing your savings, and preparing for the unexpected.

A number of tasks are provided for each of these principles, and when you complete these tasks, Mint awards you points. The more points you earn, the higher your score. Mint also explains why each of these tasks is important for a financially fit lifestyle. Here’s what their task suggestions look like:

Mint new features

For each of the tasks, Mint walks you through the decision making process. Based on what Mint knows about your finances — and if you use Mint right, it will know just about everything — the application will provide you suggestions for high-yield savings accounts, even giving you a breakdown of the fees and minimum balance requirements if anything. For optimizing your credit card debt, Mint takes the amount you pay towards your debt each month and tailors its suggestions to your particular spending and payment habits. Based on a few assumptions, Mint explains how much you will save by switching.

It’s true that Mint has a relationship with many banks and credit cards. In other words, if you sign up for a savings account or credit card through Mint, these companies will pay Mint a small fee. According to Aaron Patzer, the choices are presented without preference towards these companies. If the best card for you is the Schwab Bank Invest First Visa Signature Card, it will be listed first, even though Mint may not get paid if you sign up for that particular credit card.

As I mentioned earlier, you receive points for making sound financial decisions. Some examples are surviving a month without being charged bank fees, reviewing your transactions each month, checking your credit report for errors annually, and investing for retirement. The points system is based on a game; you are awarded “trophies” for consistently performing well, a fun incentive for making the right choices.

There is some work to be done. Although the options presented for many of the tasks are personalized, the tasks themselves are only those that would apply to everyone. For example, while health insurance is covered in the fifth principle, life insurance is not. Right now, Mint does not know whether you are someone who would benefit from life insurance. This personalized level of suggestions is not yet possible through Mint. When asked about this, Aaron explained that Mint would not ask participants whether they have dependents, which would help determine more personalized financial advice. They may, however, use home ownership as a trigger; those who own homes are more likely to have dependents and would therefore benefit from life insurance. These enhancements might be developed later.

The competition for online financial management is intense, with Quicken Online and Geezeo adding new features frequently as well. I may be too stubborn to discard all that I have done with my desktop software in favor of a web-based application, but as these online applications mature, I’m starting to see the value for people other than financial novices.

How to become a Mint beta tester

I have 200 invitations available for those who would like the chance to enjoy these new features of Mint several weeks before the broader public, and importantly for the software developers, provide feedback and suggestions. Here is all you need to do in order to receive access.

  • If you haven’t already, set up an account at Mint.com. It’s free and secure.
  • Send an email to consumerism-getfit@mint.com requesting access and include the email address you use to log into Mint.

In a few days, you will be inducted into the beta testing program and you will receive access to these new features.

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Mint.com, a free online money tracking system, has just started including property values like houses and vehicles when calculating your net worth.

Previously, the service would total up your cash and other positive account balances, then subtract your credit card debt, loans and mortgage amounts, leaving you with an almost certainly negative net worth. In my case it was somewhere around -$178,000.

Now you can go into “Your Accounts” and tell it about the real things you own that have value. It uses a service called cyberhomes to estimate your home’s worth. Fortunately, it also lets you override this automatic value, since cyberhomes had no data for my house. I got an amount for my house from the local county appraisal district Web site and added in the Kelly Blue Book value for the two cars we have. Et voilà, our net worth is now approximately $50,000 in the black.

I think it could probably use a little fine-tuning but at least now I don’t feel so bad about our situation. Read more by Flexo about how to calculate your net worth.

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After deciding that it’s time to get a handle on your finances, find a way to accurately track the way you handle everything involving money. Before deciding to take action, you may have estimated your income and expenses, but now the details matter. Here is how to get to the details.

Every cent is important at this point. That will change later on; as you grow as a master or mistress of your money, you can ease the pinch on the penny. But in the beginning of this journey, you should record everything. From the $5 check from your grandmother on your birthday to your $75,000 annual performance bonus, and from the $1.99 music download to the $28,150 car, you must write it all down in some form.

There is a purpose to this madness. By tracking every detail of your money, you get a real picture of how much you’re spending. Many people don’t know off the top of the head how much they spend on lunches with coworkers every month or how much they spend on cigarettes or coffee. This process can be very enlightening, and in some cases, it might provide motivation in itself. By tracking your finances accurately, you’ll be poised to make better decisions about where to spend your money.

You don’t need to start with fancy software. Sometimes, low tech can be most effective, especially when starting out. Pads and pencils are portable as well, and they are great tools for keeping track of your cash spending while you’re on the move. The first step is to choose the method that will work best for you.

Desktop software

Intuit Quicken is the king of financial tracking software. Unfortunately, the software is not cheap. Quicken 2009 Deluxe, the most basic version available this year, costs $45 through Consumerism Commentary. You can connect to banks to download your deposits and withdrawals and credit card companies to download your charges and payments. Microsoft Money Plus is another option offering similar features. Both of these programs cost money to use. For those who don’t use Windows-based computers, MoneyDance is a good choice, but this software is not free, either.

If you’re looking for software that is free to use, take a look at GnuCash. GnuCash also has a portable edition which allows you to take your financial data with you and access the program anywhere you can jump on a computer. (Thanks to Dave Stinner who reminded me about Gnu Cash.)

Web software

Quicken Online Edition is now free. Here’s a review of the service. Mint (reviewed here), Geezeo, and Wesabe offer similar features to help you track your money.

While web software offers seamless integration with online access to your banks, it has some limitations. These web applications are not designed to keep track of your cash spending, which may be the most important requirements for accurately tracking your expenses.

Mobile software

Keeping track of the money you spend while you’re out is a challenge, at least for me. It helps to ask for receipts for all transactions so you can collect them and record the amounts at night when you’re home. I’m experimenting with software for mobile phones that allows you to keep track of your spending. SplashMoney works with my BlackBerry as well as iPhones. For Quicken users who enter transactions while away from the computer and sync them to desktop Quicken later, Pocket Quicken may be a good option. This software runs on Palm and Windows Mobile devices.

Paper

For people who prefer old-fashioned methods and have unlimited filing space, paper accounting is an option. Download this ledger paper and print a few pages. Use a separate page for each account, and keep track of your transactions just like you would with software. If you don’t like my ledger paper, try these templates, available for free.

Tips for accurate accounting

  • Collect receipts for all transactions, including the purchases using cash. “Cash” should be an account in your software or on paper. Your starting balance is amount of money you have in your wallet on the day you begin tracking.
  • If possible, keep notes about your expenses while you’re away from your computer or desk. Carry a small pad or use mobile software like those listed above.
  • Every month, or more often if you have online access or automatic transaction downloads, compare what you record with the activity your bank has recorded in their systems. This “reconciliation” ensures you have accurate records for your bank accounts, investments, and credit cards.
  • The web software listed above usually download your bank activity automatically. In some cases, the application will try to categorize your spending based on the vendor name or similar transactions by other users of the software. This “artificial intelligence” will make errors, so review every transaction to categorize the expenses and income properly.
  • ATM withdrawals should be recorded as a transfer between your savings account and your cash account, not an expense. Cash deposits should be transfers as well.

As time goes on and you become more familiar with your finances, you can afford to be less aggressive about recording every cent. I suggest following the above suggestions and keeping track of everything for at least several months to get an informative view of your money.

If you have any additional tips for tracking your money accurately, please share.

Image credit: Refracted Moments

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Nicholas emailed me with this question.

I’m trying to find some kind of free accounting software for balancing my checkbook, and that sort of thing. I already use Mint.com, but it isn’t much good if I plan on writing a check, or if I want to create a recurring transaction.

I don’t need something to actually connect to my bank account, although it would be convenient to be able to import transactions. I just need to be able to keep track of everything. Right now I’m using Excel, but Excel really isn’t meant to be this kind of tool. I’d appreciate any recommendations you might have. Thanks!

Nicholas is right about Mint, Yodlee MoneyCenter, and other online services. These websites rely on downloading information from banks, and banks don’t know when you write a check unless you have sophisticated business services. For Nicholas’s purposes, these services fall short.

If Intuit Quicken and Microsoft Money Plus are out of the question — and Nicholas’s requirement according to his email is free — then there aren’t many solutions available.

I would suggest GnuCash. GnuCash is free accounting software available for Linux and other flavors of Unix, Mac OS X, and Microsoft Windows. Like Quicken and Money, GnuCash allows you to track your financial accounts, including cash, credit, and investments.

Unlike Quicken and Money, the designers of GnuCash take an approach more true to professional accounting principles like double-entry accounting. While the more popular (and more expensive) software programs use “accounts” to represent assets and liabilities and use “categories” to record expenses and income, GnuCash considers assets, liabilities, income, and expenses to all be accounts. That means that every transaction is recorded as a transfer between two accounts.

It’s a little weird at first, but it begins to make more sense as you have more practice.

GnuCash will let you easily track your checkbook. When you create a new book of accounts (which GnuCash calls a file because the database is stored in a computer file), the default options include a checking account. You can use the default checking account, or add more if you have more than one to track, to keep your checkbook up to date.

When you write a check, you could record a decrease (GnuCash calls this a “withdrawal”) to your checking account and an increase (GnuCash calls this an “expense”) to the appropriate expense account, such as your telephone expense account. In this manner, your checking account in GnuCash will always match your checkbook. You will be able to see at a glance how much money you have truly available in the account, to help prevent overdrafts.

The problem with tracking a checking account is the reconciliation between your book of accounts (ledger) and the bank statement. If you have outstanding checks — checks you have sent out but haven’t been cashed by the recipients — then the balance in GnuCash won’t match the balance at the bank.

While the above method will be fine for most people and has the benefit of tracking the usable balance in your checking account, if you want to keep a true reconciliation, then you need an additional account. The other option is to create a liability account called “Outstanding Checks.”

When you write a check, record an increase to Outstanding Checks and an increase to the appropriate expense account, perhaps the telephone expense account like above. Then, once the phone company deposits your check and your bank has decreased your balance, you can record a decrease to Outstanding Checks and a decrease to your checking account.

Both options are accurate, so it’s up to you which method to use. If you download GnuCash, both options are free as well. GnuCash does more than just balance your checkbook, as well. It does more than you might expect from free software. Here are some of the features you might find useful:

  • QIF and OFX support, so you can download files from your bank and reconcile your accounts
  • Schedule recurring transactions
  • Track your investment accounts and download stock prices
  • Use multiple currencies
  • Generate reports and graphs to illustrate your finances

There’s one drawback. If you want to run GnuCash on an operating system other than Windows, you’ll have to “compile” the software yourself. There are instructions for installing and using GnuCash here.

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