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The Adoption Tax Credit

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For the first time ever, the adoption tax credit is refundable. This is a great change for parents who have adopted children in the past few years, because it means they could file their 2010 taxes and receive a bigger-than-expected refund. Keep in mind that refundable is a good thing when it comes to taxes; it means that even if you don’t owe any additional money to the government otherwise, the credit can make your liability less than zero. The government will owe you money, and you’ll receive a refund check. Here’s a deeper explanation of refundable tax credits.

If you’ve had adoption-related expenses, you can receive a tax credit, which reduces the amount you owe the government dollar for dollar. For the 2010 tax year, parents can receive as much as $13,170 per adopted child. The adoption credit lets you carry forward unclaimed expenses from the five previous years, as well. If you’ve paid more than the maximum in 2009 and claimed the maximum that year, you could claim the excess 2009 expenses for the same child on your 2010 tax return as long as the total claimed for each child does not exceed the maximum.

With the capability of receiving a larger refund due to the refundability of the adoption tax credit, the IRS has increased its requirements for documentation of the adoption. To qualify, taxpayers must complete Form 8839 and include additional paperwork.

While the U.S. tax system is designed for wealth distribution as well as raising money for governmental operations, the existence of refundable credits puts a spotlight on the more controversial aspect of the IRS. Additionally, the adoption tax credit is phased out at an adjusted gross income of $182,520 for 2010. This is a high maximum and will not disqualify most families who adopt children, but it means that the credit exists to help middle and low income families meet the needs of their children.

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When it comes to the children’s needs, adopted children classified as “special needs” enable the parents to qualify for the entire credit, even if the family did not pay expenses that reach the total of $13,170 per child. In practice, adoption expenses tend to exceed tens of thousands of dollars, so even the maximum refund does not fully reimburse a family for an adoption.

As a result of the changes this year, a family earning a gross income of $39,000 in 2010 determined that the IRS will be paying them a $54,000 tax refund this year. This family has adopted five children over the course of three years. I could certainly argue that supporting the needs of five children on a $39,000 salary is going to be a challenge, but families manage to make it work.

I’m surprised that this family, as interviewed in CNN Money, did not recognize that their $54,000 windfall would be a perfect candidate for starting a college fund or replenishing savings accounts. The family is free to do whatever they like with a tax refund, but considering the needs of their adopted children might have been a good choice for a priority rather than a vacation. To be fair, I’m not in their shoes, so I don’t know what their needs are. The mother of the family indicates she does want to spend the money wisely, but anyone else receiving this credit should probably consider saving as well as spending.

If you file your taxes online using TurboTax or H&R Block, both of which offer free federal tax filing, the software will guide you through claiming the adoption credit. Meeting with a tax professional in person will be helpful, as well, to ensure you’ve claimed all that you can qualify for.

This credit will be refundable on 2011 tax returns as well, so any family adopting a child will benefit from the more generous tax law as well. Regardless, adopting children for the sole purpose of receiving a tax credit isn’t something I’d recommend.

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avatar cubiclegeoff ♦896 (Dime)

I don’t think anyone’s tax liability should be less than zero. It makes no sense.

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avatar Craig Walter

Negative tax rate is acceptable in this instance. Adoption takes kids out of the state system where they often cost real tax dollars for care. Also adoption improves the likelhood that they will have higher paying jobs in the future, thus higher future tax dollars.

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avatar Sheri

“Adoption takes kids out of the state system where they often cost real tax dollars for care.”

Not true. Families who qualify for the adoption credit are also receiving a monthly stipend from the state to support their adoptive children. They get to turn around and claim them as dependents on their tax returns, when in fact, they are not providing their support. Tack on some refundable child tax credits on top of that. We (taxpayers) will continue to support these children financially whether they are in foster care or not. We’re actually increasing the cost because now we’re supporting the children plus giving their adoptive parents a handout. Insane.

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avatar Vickie

As an adoptive mother to a teenage daughter I can guarentee you the monthly ‘stipend’ we recieve does not cover expenses for our child. We adopted our daughter not because we wanted another child, (we have 4 grown children), we did it because we knew her, and felt called to respond to the need we saw in her. Do not forget, these children who are in foster care are there for a reason. They have experienced very serious traumas to be taken from their parents. No one would adopt a traumatized child for the little amount of money that the state offers. I am 56 and have worked since I was 17. I have paid my share of taxes. I find the remark that the taxpayers are giving adoptive parents a handout absurd. Check your facts. If you are not willing to step up and try to make a difference in a childs life yourself, you can at least be supportive of the folks who are.

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avatar Artie Art

Your comment was right on. When did the child have to been adopted to recieve this credit?

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avatar bellanc1

Thank you so much for speaking up on this matter. My husband and I have also gone this path and he has paid above and beyond in his fair share of taxes. People don’t understand the lives these children have lived and to think we would take on this kind of responsibilty for the sole purpose of a tax break makes my head want to combust with frustration. I am blessed by these children more than any monetary figure could provide. I wish everyone could understand and take on the call of helping these children, but sadly enough people who have what it takes to make a difference would rather throw money at it or feel pity than get actively involved.

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avatar Bobbie

this is so true

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avatar sharon

I sorry that u feel this way.When I did this I had a good job n two wonderful kids.I did this to give a child a chance at a better life but i took on two not by choice but that’s the system but honey if you truly knew what hell I have gone thru n you say a handout.I guess you have no kids nor a heart.if you dont know the full pay/handout that we parents receive step it up or shut it up.sorry to be blunt but it’s brains like yours is the reason so many are still in foster it’s not the money you cant began to live off what is received a month for our kids.

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avatar Casey

I am insulted by the fact that you think that the monthly stipend is a handout. Again, this stipend is typically very small, and many of these children have ongoing special needs, which the stipend is in place to help support the cost of ongoing care. If you knew anything about what these children go through in foster care, or the families go through during the adoption process, you might think twice before shooting off your mouth. Many families who adopt through foster care are taxpayers themselves, and pay into the same system as you, they are not simply living off the system, as you seem to imply by your immature and unfounded statements. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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avatar midwestwritergal

Yep, been paying taxes since the teen years, paid some of the highest property taxes in the country (with no kids in school), set up business and hired people, pay, pay, pay all of the time and have 3 generations of small business owners who have paid, paid, paid and even with the tax break, STILL did not get a refund. All we do is pay.

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avatar Lynn

Please educate yourself, NOT ALL children who are adopted from State Welfare systems even qualify for the monthly stipend you mention, nor believe it not do all kids receive or continue to receive medical assistance after the adoption. That is done by a case by case basis, and those that do receive the stipend need it due to mental, medical, life challenging needs. I have adopted 5 children from the state welfare system, how many have you adopted?

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avatar Bobbie

My family adopted a multi sibling group, creating a special need scenario. My husband and I already had 5 children of our own. The children we adopted were taken from their drug addicted, abusive, criminal parents for neglect. My son was found at 2 in a ditch with an empty Hydrocodone bottle about 1/8 mile from his home ALONE. The State then spent 18 months, 12 of which they tried rehabilitating the parents, (Liberty Chambers County) being intrusive in our home. These children were taken by CPS to parent meetings where parents didn’t show. The State appointed an advocate for the children. CPS was in support of reuniting the family! HA! Those parents did not deserve these children. The oldest was 6 girl, boy 2, baby girl 6 month when we got them. There was a family connection. My family did the right thing by these children. Yes there is a small stipend. Trust me the stipend might feed them, if we fed them as inexpensively as we could imagine. There is NO WAY the stipend comes close to supporting them. I resent the comment about complaining about how (our tax dollars) are being spent. If you have not been there you have no idea. It would take years in stipend money to cover our legal fees for trying to do the right thing! If you want to get on a tax soap box, there are plenty worthy ones out there. So go for it. You might want to educate yourself a little before you open your mouth!

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avatar LR

I agree with CubicleGeoff. It is so infuriating to see people get giant refunds when they don’t even pay taxes. I know adoption is a noble thing to do, but what does that have to do with the government or IRS? The families can already claim the kids as dependents which lets them qualify for all kinds of deductions and credits these days. Should we really be funding adoptions?

Of course, it is even more infuriating that our tax code encourages people to have large families even if they can’t really afford to. We give them dependent deductions, child tax credits, dependent care credit, higher earned income credit if you have more kids. Then of course, the more kids you have on a low income, you also get cheap health insurance, heating assistance, food stamps, free home repairs and on and on.

Whatever happened to the America where it was a matter of pride to be able to take care of your own family without having to take handouts or be on welfare? Now, you’re pretty slick if you can figure out how to get everything free from Uncle Sam. And, to qualify for most anything, you just have more kids. (or even adopt them). Sorry to sound heartless, but I’m getting ready to pay my hefty tax bill (two incomes,no dependents).and I’ve heard too many giant refund stories.

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avatar rewards ♦31 (Newbie)

I would argue that there is a difference between encouraging people to have more kids (+1 to population) and adopting an unwanted kid (+0 to population).

Getting down to actual expenses, does anyone know if it’s more expensive for the government to support a child through the foster system or as a dependent (which is what an adopted kid turns into)?

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avatar midwestwritergal

Wow, lets do the math. I’m paying 2k for fees, several hundred dollars for medical, several hundred dollars for tutors, several hundred dollars for special classes. Really? Welfare? Are you serious? In California, the “pay” is $455 per month. Who can live off of that? That won’t even cover our son’s meds!

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avatar midwestwritergal

We have a small business so whatever you pay, kids or not, I pay more and we hire people and give them jobs.

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avatar adopted

Well said LR. “Whatever happened to the America where it was a matter of pride to be able to take care of your own family without having to take handouts or be on welfare?”That’s the problem…adoption agencies put all of their efforts into counseling the bio-parents into giving up their children because that’s where their money comes from. How is this child “better” knowing that the entire process was corrupt from the start. The bio-parents should have to pay the tax credit/fees, etc., rather than just getting to push the reset button. Sort of reverse child support. Of course this is just absurd and will never happen so let’s just tack it on to the taxpayers.

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avatar DonnaFreedman ♦2,448 (Dollar)

I wasn’t aware that an adoption tax credit existed. Live and learn.
And I agree that getting kids out of the foster-care system is ultimately a money-saver — but more to the point, it gives kids a chance to be in real families vs. the not-belongingness of foster care.

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avatar Bobbie

Amen Donna! Truth being our prison systems are full of kids that were born to parents that should never have procreated. Think how hard it is to raise a healthy child in todays world. Psychologically, physically and emotionally that is a challenge all by itself. Add to that, the kids that are either dumped by their parents, or physically taken from their parents have come with some baggage. Shame on anyone who is not in support of doing what is right by these AMERICAN children. The State does not just hand kids over to people who do not qualify. Trust me when I say, we all needed counseling after the adoption was final. NO the State did not pay for it! Our hard earned dollars did. The dollars we got to keep after we paid TAXES!

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avatar PharmBoy

I had heard about this potential windfall for adoptive parents because my sister and her husband are in the process of adoption. It’s almost an identical situation as mentioned in the article. They have an income of I’d guess around 75K and they’re looking to adopt a multiple sibling group with a special consideration for special needs children. (Not for the money, but because my sister, a special-ed teacher has a heart for them). I’m happy that it’s my sister getting this money I guess, but it is insane. My wife and I make a good income and we probably would’ve sent them a cash gift after the adoption(s) just as a way to help defray some of their costs for such a noble undertaking. Doubt I’ll be sending in any money when I see their brand-spanking new Suburban! j/k.

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avatar midwestwritergal

If they truly have special needs, they will perhaps be only getting 3 hours of sleep per night like me. I doubt a car is going to make up for their own health sacrifices. Raising a special needs child, taking them to drs, etc. takes a real toll on families and most will end up in divorce. Most men will leave their wives when they have a special needs child. I guess a car will make up for that too.

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avatar Cejay ♦1,521 (Half-Dollar)

What is most infuriating is when I see people, a lot of them I know, adopting children from a foreign acountry. Do they get the tax or is it only children here in America? But they are spending outrageous amounts of money due to the expense of plane flights and hotel stays. When I asked them why they did it they cited a couple of movie stars who have now made foreign adoption “in”. Don’t get me wrong the kids are adorable and lovable and it is undersandable in one instance where the wife is foreign born. But come on a child as an accessory?

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avatar PharmBoy

Apparently you know a lot of superfical people. My sister, I’m sure, has spent many nights in tears because she has yet to carry a baby to term. She wants nothing in this world more right now than to be a mother. There are good and bad adoptive parents just like their biological counterparts.

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avatar Ken

Those people have adopted more than 5 kids i think the whole family is 12 kids or something, plus they also get money per month to take care of the kids since they all have disabilities.

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avatar midwestwritergal

They get $455 per kid per month if they’re in California. Windfall!

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avatar midwestwritergal

Well, that should cover a 2 bedroom apartment but how will they eat?

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avatar Sheri

Do you realize that even when they adopt these children out of the foster care system, in many cases, the state continues to pay the families for the children’s support? My sister adopted three children. They are considered “special needs” only because they are a sibling group, so they qualified for the refundable adoption credit = $39,510. The state pays them $36,500 per year (tax-free) to support these children. (Add it up: For year 2010, they made $76,010 tax-free from the government for adopting children). The state also provides free medical insurance until the children reach the age of 18. My sister and her husband do not pay any income taxes. Because they don’t have to report most of their income (from the adopted kids) and can claim them as exemptions, it brings their taxable income down to zero (when in theory, they are making in excess of $100,000 per year). This qualifies all of their children for reduced breakfast and lunch at school because they are considered “low income”. Total to feed each child 2 meals per day = $.70. Let me add that they own 2 campers, 2 jet skis, a boat, motorcycle, just purchased a brand new $40,000 Suburban and have plans to put in an in-ground pool.
I realize that the adoption credit is helpful to some. But for them majority of those adopting out of the foster care system, it is nothing more than a lottery winning. Adoption may become the new welfare. For those who are unemployed, they would do better to adopt a couple of kids out of foster care. The state will continue to support the kids, the parent would receive a “salary” and the federal government will give them a handout. They can’t lose!

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avatar Daddydave

I think you might have what it takes…to work at the IRS.

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avatar Tay's Mom

Are you people kidding me?!!! Seriously, where are you from? The “income” for an adopted child is $300 per month! Daycare is $1000 per month. But then you have to feed/cloth/entertain the child. But that’s fine. You agree to that as a parent. Let’s see how much we’re saving the State. That same child, in foster care, who would more than likely go to jail, would cost the state, 10,000 per month. You do the math.

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avatar Tay's Mom

Sorry, actually it’s 47,000 in my State. Sorry about that. So, instead of paying 47k per year for a prisoner, the State is paying $3600 per year for a college graduate. EVERYONE in my family has graduated from college for the past 4 generations so my adopted child will as well.

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avatar shawn

Tay’s mom
I agree with u I have two the comments they leave due to them loving money over life a child that can grow up be able to put back into what they received.they want to pay jail cost so it looks as if the system failed all at risked.NOT!!

avatar midwestwritergal

What State do you live in? In California you get $455 for a special needs kid unless you’re willing to put them on drugs and you do not get free lunch or any of that. I have paid THOUSANDS for our kid and have had to sacrifice a career, loss of sleep, medical problems, etc. because this kid requires a whole lot. Perhaps we should move! We’re going broke raising our kid! And my husband works 2 jobs!

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avatar midwestwritergal

The drugs have to be certain drugs as well. You won’t get the money for just ANY drugs. But if no drugs, no “extra” money. That’s the way it goes in CA.

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avatar Sue

sounds like you have it all figured out…maybe you should venture in to this high paying job of an adoptive parent to special needs kids.

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avatar Deb

That’s a great way to put it Sue!

I’m an adoptive parent to 2 special needs children, plus we have 3 biological. We aren’t living high on the hog from our adoption. We live in a crowded house, shop at Aldi’s, and buy many clothing items from thrift stores. Because they are special needs, I have to miss lots of work to attend to their needs which includes numerous counseling sessions, school meetings, dealing with behaviors & the melt downs. If my employer wasn’t understanding I wouldn’t be able to work at all, and my husband works 2 jobs to provide for our family. Raising special needs children is not all rainbows & butterflies and it’s certainly not dollar signs. If someone thinks money is the motivation for adoption of special needs kids, they would be wrong. The motivation is the rewards of seeing them learn new skills, attach, and break the cycle of dysfunction that they more than likely came from. The reward is changing a life of a child. If adopting kids meant making bank, there wouldn’t be as many kids sitting & waiting for a forever family. It takes a lot of work & dedication.

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avatar Sheri

Deb, you are the type of family that should benefit from this credit. My point is that there are many families benefitting from this when they don’t need it at all, and my own sister is one of them! None of her children are special needs at all. However, the state classifies them as special needs simply because they are siblings. She loves to brag that her monthly adoption stipend pays for their mortgage so they can use their own money for toys and other things. And now that they are getting an adoption refund, they are putting in an in-ground pool! This is after they just paid cash for a brand new Suburban. She doesn’t have to take off work to care for them, because she is a stay at home mom. She even has extra money left over from her government payouts that she has gone back to college. She loves the kids, that’s for sure, but they don’t need this money for the care of her children, but are using it for the nicer things in life. As a taxpayer, that angers me. She is not the only person like this, I’m sure. A tax credit for the true special needs children? Of course. There just needs to be better oversight to weed out those who are taking advantage.

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avatar Daddydave

3 out of 4 people call your sister an angel….for helping these kids…then there’s you.

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avatar midwestwritergal

I’d love to know what state that is. We had to sell our house because I had to leave my job before they fired me for taking off of work almost every day. There has been no fun, new car, pool, luxury with our kid. It has been challenge, after challenge after challenge with more pain, tears and frustration than anything I have ever done in my life. It is amazing that people think it’s such a reward to get a couple of hundred dollars when true parenting takes several hours out of your day and without giving birth you have NO IDEA what type of child you will get and what type of work you will have to do. People who think this is fun and we’re living high can’t have ever spent a day with a special needs child.

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avatar Deb

Sheri, I can understand how upsetting it can be to work hard for what you have & provide for your family to have another family rub it in that they are living in luxury, because they get a check every month from the government. I feel fortunate enough to receive a stipend to help care for our children, if it wasn’t for that things would have been even tighter. Financial issues unfortunately do play a role in deciding if a family can take on the added responsibility of raising additional kids. I certainly would not of given birth to 5 children knowing that they wouldn’t be cared for properly. Upsetting as it may be others don’t always make the right choices, and then their kids suffer because of it. Someone mentioned earlier that the adoption stipend is a burden on taxpayers, and I can see how that may feel unjust, however looking at the bigger picture, if these children aren’t adopted, stipend or not, the expense to the tax payer will grow even more. Many of the kids that age out of the foster care system, never finding a forever family, will repeat the cycle of being on food stamps, welfare, getting by on the freebies the government gives out, and many will have several kids, who in turn will continue the cycle. Plus many of the aged out children end in our prisons. Adopting from the foster care system is an attempt to stop they dysfunctional abusive cycle, not just for this generation but the generations to come. I’m certain if the numbers were run on the expense, it is much less expensive to give a family who adopted a $500 a month stipend now, then to be funding all the handouts that will come if someone doesn’t decide to intervene by adopting.

I’ll have to agree, that an in ground pool is extreme. We are eagerly waiting for our credit to come back so we can repair our roof, and pay off the loan we took out to update our 1902 kitchen.

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avatar emily

Thank You for saying that! The monthly stipend going to the adoptive familys to love and teach the children that have no one else in this world who would be willing or capeable of doing so.Does not comepare to the millions of dollars that is costs the government to house the thousands of adults and teens (that came out of the foster care system) living in our prisons today.
Also the TAX CREDIT is a one time credit and the monthly stipend comes from the state the child is from not the government. Some states DO NOT pay after the child is adopted. Each state determines the amount and has different citeria for “special needs” which is in some states the children have to be considered to qualify for the monthly stipend.

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avatar Bjorn Severenson

No amount of money can compensate me and my family for the trauma we went through in adjusting to having 3 “special needs” children added to our home. Things are much better now and I don’t regret the decision, but life will never be the same as before.

Adoption takes kids off the streets. It changes a kid’s *entire life* for the better, and affects generations to come. The enormity of the impact on society is beyond calculation.

If someone is buying a new car, in-ground pool, or fancy new house with their whopping refund, they deserve every bit of it. This is not a task for whiners, wimps, or the faint at heart. Unless you’ve been through the experience and live it day by day, keep your big mouth shut–you have no clue what it’s like, and no idea why this money is so well-deserved.

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avatar midwestwritergal

Our family has given up a lot more that a few hundred dollars worth of a stipend per month, including an entire career. Special needs children are so taxing on the family in so many ways. People take everyday things, like taking your child to the store, for granted. People have no idea how hard it is. I can’t convey it enough. Our child is a blessing and I am happy we changed his life for “generations to come” but it is a daily struggle. Things that take regular children 10 minutes to do takes our son an entire hour. So multiply that over days, weeks, months. I wish people had a better understanding but they don’t because most people won’t ever take on the challenge. Thank you for doing it.

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avatar Donna

The family will not need to save for college. Most foster children receive 4 years of college at state schools -tuition free:) The family does not live off 39,00. The children receive monthly money from state until age 18. This family probably receives 400-600 per month – per child. The family also receives medicaid for each child.

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avatar midwestwritergal

What State are you talking about? Foster children don’t automatically go to college free of charge. There are grants that people have set up but you have to apply like every other grant. There are also grants for people who are left handed or who get straight A’s. Everybody won’t get one and a grant won’t cover the entire tuition.

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avatar midwestwritergal

If they are not saving for college, they are in for a rude awakening.

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avatar Jesse

Funny it’s like going to wendys and you ask for ketchup and the prick gives ya one package like One it’s not enough smart guy Two have you ever had a burger? I mean really blah blah blah we get checks and tax brakes. Yeah i only changed some kids life and gave hope and pushed him through college thats not hard to do or nothin no not at all!!!!!!!! Try it see if you get rich. Yeah I forgot to tell you how much it cost to adopt or how many days of work I lost for court or surprise visit by chilrdren and family’s 4 days a month for two years or how he was a special needs child doc visit every other week for five yrs But ya we do it All For The Money… clueless people and It DAM sure ain’t enough money

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avatar midwestwritergal

You’ve got that right. The people who think that don’t have special needs children. The only people who are living high are abusing and neglecting the children because if you are just an average parent it’s still hard. If you’re a great parent, God Bless You, it is the most difficult job ever.

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avatar Proudmommy

You people make me sick .. If you thinks that’s all we are doing is trying goblins off of welfare you are wrong!! I went through 2 years of hell and back with case mangers going to court missing out on work crying fir days at a time worrying about what is going to happen to this beautiful child.. Really have a heart.. We are giving a child a chance of life to be able to live in a normal family not some mother that sits there and do drugs while pregnant with him or try to sell him off for drugs … You think the monthly is enough for us to live off?? Well guess again you are very wrong .. What about diapers clothes food shelter going out places to make sure they are happy what about those things and by the way the child tax credit is the same as a dependit the most is 1000 pet child so the one that think we are doing thiamin get rich you are crazy … I have a child that was born positive to crack cocain that has special needs .. Going to the doctor every week pt ot speech therapy what about that loosing out on work .. Had to loose half of my hours . Not doing it for no money … I would think twice before you say we are doing it for the money!!! We are doing it because we want to be parents .. And some of us can’t have children this babies out there don’t deserve to be in the system they are inisent children that did not choose to be in the foster system … I THINk WE ARE HEROS FOR SAVING THESE KIDS…..

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avatar Donna

Proudmommy not sure which people are making you sick??? I posted on this site. I have fostered 25 children and adopted 8 very special needs children. Please when posting don’t lump all into your statement! By the way I am not hero – I am a mom:)

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avatar adopted

I guess, adopted children should be so “grateful” they were adopted and you are owed something because you are the almighty adopter. If you feel you are entitled to money for your good deed, get it from the biological parents not tax payers. Are you kidding me?

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avatar midwestwritergal

You should read before you type and look up statistics. Try starting with Google. It actually costs the country MORE to leave children in foster care. In addition to the medical, general care, education, etc., those children are more likely to be addicted to substances and to commit crime. The couple of hundred dollars “adopters” get to offset the many difficulties and challenges that parents will face (for example, I personally had to quit my job to care for our child and I made 9x what they pay monthly) is a drop in the bucket. Most of these children have real problems that the money will never be able to cover, including depression, medical needs, etc and we make their lives better. They are less likely to commit crime and be on illegal substances if they are adopted. We are costing the country less but you are too ignorant to know any better.

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avatar midwestwritergal

Well that was a nice break from all of the work I do for our son. Back to it. I hope to get 3 hours in tonight but I doubt it.

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