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		<title>By: anupam</title>
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		<dc:creator>anupam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 16:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no..its not hard..infact there are many women who are cfa charterholders</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no..its not hard..infact there are many women who are cfa charterholders</p>
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		<title>By: Daysha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daysha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this a hard field for a woman to get into?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a hard field for a woman to get into?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since large portion depends on performance, in today&#039;s bearish market, these numbers should be much lower, isn&#039;t that so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since large portion depends on performance, in today&#8217;s bearish market, these numbers should be much lower, isn&#8217;t that so?</p>
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		<title>By: Anais</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No date on article leaves readers wondering how relevant this is to today&#039;s economy.  A date on something, if not the article, the comments, would be nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No date on article leaves readers wondering how relevant this is to today&#8217;s economy.  A date on something, if not the article, the comments, would be nice!</p>
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		<title>By: Da Big Deal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da Big Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 21:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lmao. The photographer for this company must be either terrible or have a sense of humor. I couldn&#039;t even get through the whole page without falling on the floor. Great post bro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lmao. The photographer for this company must be either terrible or have a sense of humor. I couldn&#8217;t even get through the whole page without falling on the floor. Great post bro.</p>
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		<title>By: Da Big Deal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da Big Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jennifer

&quot;Many programs in undergraduate physics require less advanced mathematics that programs in computer science.&quot;

This is just plain wrong. I have 2 Bachelor&#039;s from a top 5 university. One is in Physics and the other is in CS. Not in any way is the mathematical rigour of CS even touching that of Phyics. Some of the senior-level courses in statistical mechanics and quantum had math that PhD students in mathematics don&#039;t see until their 2nd semesters.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Many programs in undergraduate physics require less advanced mathematics that programs in computer science.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is just plain wrong. I have 2 Bachelor&#8217;s from a top 5 university. One is in Physics and the other is in CS. Not in any way is the mathematical rigour of CS even touching that of Phyics. Some of the senior-level courses in statistical mechanics and quantum had math that PhD students in mathematics don&#8217;t see until their 2nd semesters.</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhh..the sample posting said &quot;Sr. Fixed Income Quantitative Analyst&quot;, which is different from a Portfolio Manager.  

For ex., here are the Portfolio Analysts for Invesco Trimark, most of them do not have PhDs in math or physics:
http://www.invescotrimark.com/publicPortal/portal/retail.portal?_nfpb=true&amp;_nfxr=false&amp;_pageLabel=invExpertise_portfolioManagers_landing_page_label</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhh..the sample posting said &#8220;Sr. Fixed Income Quantitative Analyst&#8221;, which is different from a Portfolio Manager.  </p>
<p>For ex., here are the Portfolio Analysts for Invesco Trimark, most of them do not have PhDs in math or physics:<br />
<a href="http://www.invescotrimark.com/publicPortal/portal/retail.portal?_nfpb=true&#038;_nfxr=false&#038;_pageLabel=invExpertise_portfolioManagers_landing_page_label" rel="nofollow">http://www.invescotrimark.com/publicPortal/portal/retail.portal?_nfpb=true&#038;_nfxr=false&#038;_pageLabel=invExpertise_portfolioManagers_landing_page_label</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this article is over 2 years old, I felt compelled to place a rebuttal to correct some of its&#039; critical inaccuracies.

First off, most computer science schools - particularly the more theoretical ones - are offering programs with a level of rigor equivalent to many programs in mathematics. In fact, many departments in the highest-ranked universities worldwide are departments of &quot;Computer Science and Mathematics&quot;... these are fundamentally entwined elements of quantitative analysis. Therefore, your point is moot. Many programs in undergraduate physics require less advanced mathematics that programs in computer science.

Second of all, while graduate degrees are a benchmark for many portfolio manager positions, the Ph.D is not the-all-and-end-all. In fact, a master&#039;s degree with an additional 3 or 4 years of intensive work experiences is very often more of a competitive advantage than a Ph.D in a moderately related field. We&#039;d rather see your history of Investment Analysis than your Ph.D in Quantum Optics. 

Finally, many Portfolio Managers have backgrounds in Engineering, a category under which Computer Science is often considered. Analytical skills are key.

Good work on an informative article about the earning powers of Portfolio Management, however it is my great hope that further research be done into acceptable qualifications when writing an article like this, for it has the potential to misinform a future generation of potentially gifted managers that may not fit your narrow range of descriptives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this article is over 2 years old, I felt compelled to place a rebuttal to correct some of its&#8217; critical inaccuracies.</p>
<p>First off, most computer science schools &#8211; particularly the more theoretical ones &#8211; are offering programs with a level of rigor equivalent to many programs in mathematics. In fact, many departments in the highest-ranked universities worldwide are departments of &#8220;Computer Science and Mathematics&#8221;&#8230; these are fundamentally entwined elements of quantitative analysis. Therefore, your point is moot. Many programs in undergraduate physics require less advanced mathematics that programs in computer science.</p>
<p>Second of all, while graduate degrees are a benchmark for many portfolio manager positions, the Ph.D is not the-all-and-end-all. In fact, a master&#8217;s degree with an additional 3 or 4 years of intensive work experiences is very often more of a competitive advantage than a Ph.D in a moderately related field. We&#8217;d rather see your history of Investment Analysis than your Ph.D in Quantum Optics. </p>
<p>Finally, many Portfolio Managers have backgrounds in Engineering, a category under which Computer Science is often considered. Analytical skills are key.</p>
<p>Good work on an informative article about the earning powers of Portfolio Management, however it is my great hope that further research be done into acceptable qualifications when writing an article like this, for it has the potential to misinform a future generation of potentially gifted managers that may not fit your narrow range of descriptives.</p>
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		<title>By: GeneralOsiris</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeneralOsiris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.....over 450K...

After 15 years of working in the domain....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;..over 450K&#8230;</p>
<p>After 15 years of working in the domain&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Evgen F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evgen F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which degree do i need to become a portfolio manager? i am planning to take a bachelor of commerce as a gold standard in business/accounting.finance world. am i on a right track? currently i am taking some cga courses to begin in accounting and start making at least some money... i think in another year i&#039;ll be able to complete it. it&#039;s a seneca accounting and finance diploma. but then i want to switch into b.comm and go into investment banking with joint cfa and mba from concordia. am i on a right track so far?

Evgen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which degree do i need to become a portfolio manager? i am planning to take a bachelor of commerce as a gold standard in business/accounting.finance world. am i on a right track? currently i am taking some cga courses to begin in accounting and start making at least some money&#8230; i think in another year i&#8217;ll be able to complete it. it&#8217;s a seneca accounting and finance diploma. but then i want to switch into b.comm and go into investment banking with joint cfa and mba from concordia. am i on a right track so far?</p>
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		<title>By: Hari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious to know if the 450,000 was a median or a mean estimate. We all know a couple of portfolio managers can make $15-$20 million in one year, that could inflate that average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious to know if the 450,000 was a median or a mean estimate. We all know a couple of portfolio managers can make $15-$20 million in one year, that could inflate that average.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those numbers are stunning. Generally speaking, I know there&#039;s a small discrepancy between someone with a BA salary and someone with an MA salary, but statistically, I think there&#039;s a much larger one between an MA and a PhD. I guess it holds doubly true for these guys. Crazy.

Also - I love the phrase &quot;math-averse.&quot; It makes me think of A) someone who doesn&#039;t like equations, or B) a universe built entirely of math.  Good times.

P.S. Thanks for checking out my blog, Sasha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those numbers are stunning. Generally speaking, I know there&#8217;s a small discrepancy between someone with a BA salary and someone with an MA salary, but statistically, I think there&#8217;s a much larger one between an MA and a PhD. I guess it holds doubly true for these guys. Crazy.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; I love the phrase &#8220;math-averse.&#8221; It makes me think of A) someone who doesn&#8217;t like equations, or B) a universe built entirely of math.  Good times.</p>
<p>P.S. Thanks for checking out my blog, Sasha!</p>
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		<title>By: mapgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mapgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one PhD in Physics who was a coder, skateboarded to work in his Hawaiian shirt. He worked on mathematical modeling software for portfolio managers. He was a fun guy.

As for the money and the math, it goes together. Quant is heavy heavy math and it takes big brains to power the models.

You&#039;re right though, most of the high salaries for PhD&#039;s in math and physics are for folks that ended up coding and founding their own companies. But you can do that without a degree too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one PhD in Physics who was a coder, skateboarded to work in his Hawaiian shirt. He worked on mathematical modeling software for portfolio managers. He was a fun guy.</p>
<p>As for the money and the math, it goes together. Quant is heavy heavy math and it takes big brains to power the models.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right though, most of the high salaries for PhD&#8217;s in math and physics are for folks that ended up coding and founding their own companies. But you can do that without a degree too.</p>
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		<title>By: James Woolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Woolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have loved to become a portfolio manager and play with other people&#039;s money but I only got a 2:2 in Accounting and Finance.

Now manage my own portfolio and more than match some of these over-paid manager&#039;s underachieving portfolios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have loved to become a portfolio manager and play with other people&#8217;s money but I only got a 2:2 in Accounting and Finance.</p>
<p>Now manage my own portfolio and more than match some of these over-paid manager&#8217;s underachieving portfolios.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The investment banker salary would be fine with me, especially if I didn&#039;t have to add numbers together or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The investment banker salary would be fine with me, especially if I didn&#8217;t have to add numbers together or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>note that it is total compensation, and a large portion of that is based off of commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>note that it is total compensation, and a large portion of that is based off of commission.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The money does sounds great. I wish I could work there for one year and live off that salary. I&#039;ll just be content with where I&#039;m at and move up at my pace. Thanks for the article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The money does sounds great. I wish I could work there for one year and live off that salary. I&#8217;ll just be content with where I&#8217;m at and move up at my pace. Thanks for the article!</p>
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		<title>By: plonkee</title>
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		<dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only I&#039;d been more interested in high finance (and decided to do a phd). Ah well, in my next life I might try this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only I&#8217;d been more interested in high finance (and decided to do a phd). Ah well, in my next life I might try this.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dividend Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dividend Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am willing to bet that a lot of them are in debt up to their eyeballs - fast cars, big houses.

Perhaps I am just bitter,

The Dividend Guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am willing to bet that a lot of them are in debt up to their eyeballs &#8211; fast cars, big houses.</p>
<p>Perhaps I am just bitter,</p>
<p>The Dividend Guy</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too stressful a job for me. With one year&#039;s worth of that money (let&#039;s assume that&#039;s the takehome) we could pay off all our debt (which is big!) and buy a new house (a smaller one at around $200k) with no mortgage and have more money left over than I earn in a year. Dang. Why does Mr. Micah&#039;s PhD have to be in philosophy?

But it&#039;s really not the life for either of us, so we&#039;ll take the lower pay and the greater happiness. But dang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too stressful a job for me. With one year&#8217;s worth of that money (let&#8217;s assume that&#8217;s the takehome) we could pay off all our debt (which is big!) and buy a new house (a smaller one at around $200k) with no mortgage and have more money left over than I earn in a year. Dang. Why does Mr. Micah&#8217;s PhD have to be in philosophy?</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s really not the life for either of us, so we&#8217;ll take the lower pay and the greater happiness. But dang.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Morrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, Sasha.  It&#039;s good to hear about this side of personal finance.  Personally, I think the amount of money you make is just as important as how much you save.  Showing people that it&#039;s possible to make this much money could help them become wealthier, much faster.

This is similar to what I did for a living up until a few months ago.  And you&#039;re right: the money is breathtaking.  In my experience though, much more than 25% of the compensation was tied to performance.  Performance-based bonuses accounted for 80% of mine.

You can also make significantly more than $500,000 per year.  I have two friends that start private equity funds, and both of them clear over $1 million per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, Sasha.  It&#8217;s good to hear about this side of personal finance.  Personally, I think the amount of money you make is just as important as how much you save.  Showing people that it&#8217;s possible to make this much money could help them become wealthier, much faster.</p>
<p>This is similar to what I did for a living up until a few months ago.  And you&#8217;re right: the money is breathtaking.  In my experience though, much more than 25% of the compensation was tied to performance.  Performance-based bonuses accounted for 80% of mine.</p>
<p>You can also make significantly more than $500,000 per year.  I have two friends that start private equity funds, and both of them clear over $1 million per year.</p>
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